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Yahshua's Glory Before the Foundation of the World
Does This Mean He Pre-existed?
By Voy Wilks
2/4/89

"And now, Father, glorify thou me in thy own presence with the glory which I had with thee before the world was made" (Jn. 17:5 RSV).

"Father, I desire that they also, whom thou hast given me, may be with me where I am, to behold my glory which thou hast given me in thy love for me before the the foundation of the world" (Jn. 17:24).

It is clear that Yahweh the Supreme Being planned to send a Savior, so in this sense Yahshua pre-existed before the world was made - in Yahweh's plan. Did Yahshua pre-exist bodily, as a Deity, before the world was made?

First we must never forget that Yahweh was alone in creating the earth - the universe. No other Mighty One, no other Deity, was with him. He alone created everything. This was still true in the days of Isaiah the Prophet. Yahweh alone (the Supreme Being) was the only El, the only Eloah, the only true Elohim and the only Yahweh who existed at that time (Isa. 37:16; 40:12-31; 42:5-8; 43:1-15; 44:6; 44:24; 45:5-18; 46:5-9; 48:9-13; 51:12-16). There was no others (Mk. 12:29-33). All through the O.T. this is the song of the prophets and the saints. The N.T. message must agree with this, for the N.T. relies on the O.T. for its life, its very being. In view of this, and the Scripture references by Isaiah the Prophet (noted above), let us examine other N.T. Scriptures which are very similar to Jn. 17:5,24.

"He [the Messiah] was destined before the foundation of the world but was made manifest at the end of times for your sake" (1 Peter. 1:20 RSV).

The KJV states this more impressively, if possible, than does the RSV. The message is, before the foundation of the world, Yahweh destined (planned) that a Savior would come, but it was only in Peter's day that he was made manifest to men. In what way was he manifested? In flesh and blood (verse 19). The fact that he "was made manifest" only in Peter's day is an indication that he did not exist (except in plan) before the earth was made, and certainly not as Deity; not the El or the Yahweh who spoke to the Prophets of old (Heb. 1:1). Notice another Scripture, please.

"... and they that dwell on earth shall wonder, whose names are not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, ..." (Rev. 17:8).

"... and all who dwell on earth shall worship [the beast], every one whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb that was slain" (Rev. 13:8 RSV).

Here we see that the saints were written in the book of life before the foundation of the world. Does this mean the saints had a pre-existence? Did the saints live as deity before the earth was made? No. What happened is, before the earth was made, Yahweh created the book of life and planned that some would (eventually) be recorded there, by individual names. In the same way, he planned for a Savior, even before the world was made. But the KJV reads a little differently in Rev. 13:8.

"And all who dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world" (Rev 13:8 KJV).

This indicates Yahshua the Lamb was "slain before" the earth was made. Did this happen? No, but it was in Yahweh's plan before the world was made to send a Redeemer who would be slain for the sins of men, as Scripture reveals:

"But when the fullness of time was come, Yahweh sent forth his Son, MADE of a woman made under the law, to redeem them that are under the law, ..." (Gal. 4:4,5).

"The Lamb slain from the foundation of the world." Soon after creation, Adam and Eve transgressed, so Yahweh slew an animal and made clothing for them. From what? Probably a lamb, a sheep. Allegorically then, Yahshua (the Lamb) was slain from the foundation of the world, a sacrifice; "... without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins" (Heb. 9:22). Let us compare other (and similar) Scriptures.

"Then shall the king say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world" (Mt. 25:34).

"That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation" (Lk. 11:50). Abel must have been the first.

"For we are his workmanship, created in Yahshua Messiah unto good works, which Yahweh hath before ordained that we should walk in them" (Eph. 2:10).

"For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although his works were finished from the foundation of the world" (Heb. 4:3).

"Blessed be the Elohim and Father of our Savior Yahshua Messiah, who has blessed us in heavenly places, even as he CHOSE US in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. He destined US in love to be his sons through Yahshua Messiah, according the the purpose of his will, to the praise of his glorious grace which he freely bestowed on us in the Beloved. In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according the the riches of his grace which is lavished upon us. For he was made known to us in all wisdom and insight the mystery of his will, according to his purpose which he set forth in the Messiah as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth. In him according to his purpose of him who accomplishes all things according to the council of his will, we who first hoped in Messiah have been DESTINED and appointed to live for the praise of his glory" (Eph. 1:3-12 RSV).

Obviously, you and I did not have a pre-existence before the world was made except in Yahweh's plan. This was true also of Yahshua Messiah. Just as Yahweh planned (destined) some (us, you and I) to eventually become sons, even before the world was made, so he planned for a Savior (a Redeemer) to appear "in the fullness of time," to save those who "live for the praise of his glory."

Note: This is not to say we do not have a choice. Certainly we do have a choice, just as Israel had a choice. "... I set before you life and death, blessing and curse; therefore choose life, that you and your descendants may live, loving Yahweh your Elohim, obeying his voice, and cleaving to him, for that means life to you ..." (Deut. 30:19,20).

Conclusion

The Apostle Paul wrote that Yahweh "... calleth those witch thing be not as though they were" (Rom. 4:17B). He uses Abraham as an example: "I have made thee a father of many nations" This was even before Abraham (Rom. 4:17A from Gen. 17:5). This was even before Abraham fathered his son Isaac. Once Yahweh plans something, it is certain to happen, so he sometimes speaks of it as if it has already come to pass. This is true of the glory which Yahweh planned of his Son Yahshua, and for you and me, if we choose life. He chose us before the foundation of the world. This being true, Jn. 17:5, 24 does not promote the pre-existence.The Redeemer received Yahweh's glory by being in his glorious plan to be accomplished in future centuries. Therefore, Yahshua as Redeemer looked forward to enjoying this glorious face to face with the Father ("in thy own presence" Jn. 17:5) which he had in Yahweh's plans before the world existed. We too, were chosen and destined "before the foundation of the world."

Does Hebrews 1:1-2; Colossians 1:16-17 & John 1:10 Say That Yahshua Was Involved in the Creation of the World?

Please note how these passages are translated in the Emphatic Diaglott Greek Interlinear.

Diaglott, Hebrews 1:1-2

Hebrews 1:1 In many parts and in many ways long ago the God having spoken to the fathers by the prophets, in last of the days of these spoke to us by a son,

Hebrews 1:2 whom he appointed an heir of all things, (on account of whom also the ages he made,)

Diaglott, Colossians 1:16-17

Colossians 1:16 because in him were created the things all, the things in the heavens and the things on the earth, the things seen and the things unseen, whether thrones, or lordships, or governments, or authorities; the things all on account of him and for him have been created;

Colossians 1:17 and he is in advance of all, and the things all in him has been placed together;

Diaglott, John 1:10

John 1:10 In the world he was, and the world through him was, and the world him not knew.

The Greek word di' or dia which is translated 'by' in the A.K.J.V. and 'through' in the R.S.V. in Hebrews 1:2 is translated 'on account of' in the Emphatic Diaglott.

This changes the meaning of this passage of Hebrews 1:1-2 considerably from how the K.J.V. and the A.S.V. translates. It does not say that Yahshua was involved in the creation of the world, but that the world was created "on account of" of him. This translation brings Hebrews 1:2 in harmony with the entire context of Scripture, in that it was Father Yahweh Who created the heavens and the earth ALONE (cf. Psalm 121:1, 33:6-9; Isayah 44:24) . Following is how the K.J.V. and the R.S.V. translates Hebrews 1:2.

K.J.V., Hebrews 1:2

Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [his] Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

R.S.V., Hebrews 1:2

but in these last days he has spoken to us by a Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world.

Now, I ask you, are you going to ignore the entire context of Scripture where it is said that Father Yahweh ALONE created the heavens and the earth for how a translator may have translated a word in a few passages?

Even Yahshua himself credited Father Yahweh for the creation of Adam and Eve, not even so much as mentioning that he had any hand in creating them.

Have you not read, that He Who made [them] at the beginning made them male and female, (Matthew 19:4; Genesis 1:27).

Yahshua surely had an involvement in the creation of the heavens and the earth in that Father Yahweh had him in mind, but he had no hand in the actual creation in the beginning. He was not a "co-creator" with Father Yahweh in the beginning as many deceptively teach. He did not even "pre-exist" with Father Yahweh, nor was he Father Yahweh. Yahshua was Father Yahweh's son as Scripture teaches.

Did Yahshua Create Or Pre-exist His Birth?

"The Glory I Had With You Before The World Was"
Yahchanan [John] 17:5

The First & the Last
By Voy Wilks

The following is an excerpt from Did Our Savior Pre-exist? By John Cordaro and was revised as of 1/16/06.

OLD GLORY

Following on the heels of the above, John 17:5 states, "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was." Was this glory as the second person of the "Trinity" or is there something here that many people miss?

Yahshua is said to be the Lamb which was slain from the foundation of the world (Revelation 13:8), yet we have the Bible also saying, "Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others; For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself." (Hebrews 9:25-26) Clearly, the Hebrews passage states that Yahshua was not literally slain from the foundation of the world, but rather was slain in the mind or plan of Almighty Yahweh. This is akin to John 1:1 which speaks of the very word of Elohim being with Elohim in the beginning. This spoken word or plan of Yahweh existed throughout the ions of time. From the beginning of time, Yahweh had Yahshua's sacrifice in His plan for all humankind. For it was through Yahshua that we would receive our justification (Romans 4:25). 1 Peter 1:18-20 continues to explain this by saying:

"Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you."

Notice the use of the word foreordained. Yahshua was foreordained from the foundation of the world, but was made manifest or revealed in these last times. He did not exist as a person or being in former times, but in these last times Yahweh allowed him to be born of a woman (Galatians 4:4) and speaks through him (Hebrews 1:1-2).

It is especially intriguing to find Yahshua praying to the Father, that He would let the disciples share in this glory (John 17:24) and then he in turn mentions the foundation of the world. The disciples would indeed share in the glory of the crucifixion by having their sins washed away, but they definitely did not share Yahshua's glory by themselves being involved in a trinitarian being.

The glory that Yahshua had was as the slain lamb of Yahweh, in the mind of Yahweh, and Yahshua was praying for that glory to be brought about literally, so as to give unto all those who would accept, eternal life. This is why Yahshua began in John 17:1-2 by saying, "These words spake Yahshua, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, 'Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.' " Yahshua wanted to bring about the fruition of eternal life by Yahweh glorifying him as the ultimate sacrifice, and Yahshua in turn glorifying the Father. Jesus is a firstfruit of the firstfruits of THE DEAD, not of the LIVING. Jesus is the first begootten, saved or born again son from the dead to live for all eternity. I have never agreed with a preacher telling me that I can't be good. I will have no preacher lording over me telling what I can or cannot do. The man Jesus the Messiah is not God, In Biblical Hebrew, the title moshiach [messiah] was bestowed on somebody who had attained a position of nobility and greatness. For example, the high priest is referred to as the kohen ha-moshiach. God did not atain a position of nobility and greatness since He has had the postion of nobility and greatness from the very beginning. Jesus came for the lost sheep of the House of Isreal the 'New Testament' says. There were no Christians when Jesus came and his followers did not call themselves Christians. Jesus' first followers were mostly Jewish men. I quit smoking cold turkey by realizing that I was lying to myself that I NEEDED a cigarette. I found it easy to quit after smoking a pack and a half a day for 40+ years. Jesus is a so called "Sarred Namer." He is recorded in the 'New Testament' when he was HERE ON EARTH as teaching his followers how to pray to his God ... " OUR Father Who is IN HEAVEN, HALLOWED (Sacred) be Your Name." My mother came home from church crying because she told an old bitty at chuch that she did not know who her father was and that old bitty told her that bastard's and theives shall not enter the Kingdom of God. I asked my mother if she did not believe that God is her Heavenly Father and she felt better and thanked me. Isreal Forgot God’s Name Which think to cause My people to forget My name by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbour, as their fathers have forgotten My Name for Baal (Jeremiah 23:7). And the children of Israel remembered not Jehovah their God, who had delivered them out of the hands of all their enemies on every side: (Judges 8:34). So the children of Israel did evil in the sight of Jehovah. They forgot Jehovah their God, and served the Baals and Asherahs (Judges 3:7). A covenant is an agreement with two of more peoole. God's people broke that covenant making it null and void in accordance with their end of the agreement. God does not break His covenant. It is man who broke their end of the covenant agreement, not God. God’s teaching (insruction, law, torah, commandment) is forever. JESUS IS GOD? The room title “Is Jesus LORD or LIAR or LUNATIC” is adapted from the Christian author C. S. Lewis in his book ‘Mere Christianity. ‘- “I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him [that is, Christ]. I’m ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don’t accept His claim to be God. … ... That is the one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic–on a level with the man who says he is a poached egg–or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse. … ... You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come up with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to.” – C.S. Lewis - Mere Christianity I am not an actual witness to anything that is said to have happened in the Bible and I have no idea if the man Jesus was a lunatic or a liar or if he even actually existed, but I do know the 'New Testament' teaches and says that he spoke his God and Heavenly Father Jehovah’s (”the LORD”) word as He had commanded him to speak. According to the ‘New Testament’, the man Jesus was made Lord or Master by his God and Heavenly Father and Creator Jehovah ("the LORD") Who is a GREATER Lord than he is. Jehovah is the Most High Lord. The Alpha and the Omega in Revelation is not in reference to Jesus since the Alpha and the Omega is said there to be Almighty. Jesus is not Almighty since he said "The Father is GREATER THAN I am.” ... "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the LORD [Jehovah] God, "Who is and Who was and Who is to come, the ALMIGHTY." (Revelation 1:8, cf. 11:7, 22:13). In the ‘New Testament’ one is asked to believe and confess that the man Jesus is the Messiah a son OF the living God. Nowhere in the 'New Testament' is anyone ever asked to believe and confess that Jesus is Jehovah or God and nowhere is this man ever recorded as teaching and saying “I am God.” They were out to entrap Jesus is his word that they might find a reason to arrest him. They falsely accused Jesus of blasphemy in saying that he was making himself out to be God or equal with God when he simply said that he was the son OF God. Whose side are you going to take? Are you going to take the side of those who were out to entrap Jesus in his word and falsley accussing him of blasphemy so that they might have a reason to arrest him or are you going to take Jesus' 'side in his simply saying that he was the son of God? Jesus is not God. He is a man OF God. The God Jehovah is Jesus' strength and refuge. God saved His son Jesus. God has no need to be saved. The man Jesus was born with the propensity to sin just as any other man. God was not born a man and does not sin. Jesus was born a mortal man and was susceptible to death just as all other men. God is not born. He is immortal and not susceptible to death. Jesus said that he is the SON OF God. As to the man Jesus’ title as Lord or Master, he was MADE Lord or Master by his one and only living God and Heavenly Father and Creator Jehovah. The man Jesus was not made “the LORD” (Jehovah). Jehovah MADE his SON Jesus Lord or Master in that He had GIVEN him all power or authority in heaven and in the earth. When Jesus referred to himself as “son of man” he was saying that he is a man. When Jesus asked his disciples "Whom do men say I a son of man am?" none of them replied 'Some say you are God.’ This tells me that no one at that time believed Jesus to be God. Peter's answer to who Jesus was is that he is the Messiah the son OF the living God, not God. Jesus also added that Peter was inspired by God in his saying who he was and that it was not flesh and blood that had revealed this to him. Worshiping the man Jesus or any other man as God is idolaltry since God created mankind and one is not to worship His creation. Roman 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, Who is blessed for ever. So be it. Romans 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Jesus is not God or "the LORD" (Jehovah). Jesus was MADE Lord by "the LORD" (Jehovah). Why would Jehovah God need to be made Lord by another when He has been the Supreme Lord from the very beginging and there is no one greater than Him to make Him Lord? Jesus is not the Jehovah (“the LORD”) or God of the 'Old Testament.' In accordance with the 'New Testament' the man Jesus was given authority by his God and Heavenly Father and Creator Jehovah to forgive sin. It is God Who actually forgives sin through or by WAY of His son Jesus. The man Jesus when HERE ON EARTH in communication [prayer] with his God and Heavenly Father and Creator IN HEAVEN told Him that He was the only true God. A man being one with God does not make him God. The man Jesus when HERE ON EARTH prayed to his God and Heavenly Father IN HEAVEN his desire that the men that He had given him from the world also be one "EVEN AS WE ARE ONE." That does not make those men God either. “And the glory which YOU GAVE ME I have given them; that they may be one, EVEN AS WE ARE ONE: I in them, and You in me, that THEY MAY BE MADE PERFECT IN ONE; and that the world may know that YOU HAVE SENT ME, and have loved them, as YOU HAVE LOVED ME.” (John 17:22-23) It is quite foolish to believe that Jesus has a God and that he is God, since there is only one God, not two or three. Even the man Jesus believed and taught this truth. The deception started long ago and still persists to this day. Jesus being the Jehovah of the 'Old Testament' or that he is God is one of the most deceptive doctrines believed and taught among many Christian religions. The ‘New Testament’ speaks of those who fall away from the faith and proclaim doctrines of men or devils (Matthew 15:9; Mark 7:7; Colossians 2:22; 1 Timothy 4:1). Jesus is not "the LORD" (Jehovah). Jehovah made His son Jesus a lesser Lord than He since Jehovah is the Supreme Lord. Jesus most certainly did not Lord over his God and Heavenly Father and Creator Jehovah, since He is the head over His son Jesus. Jesus was born a mortal man and is now an immortal man in heaven. And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to His throne (Revelation 12:5). A man can be GIVEN authority by God to forgive and save mankind from sin and death since with God all things are possible. The 'New Testament' clearly teaches and says that God gave his son Jesus all power or authority in heaven and in earth. God GAVE His son Jesus authority to forgive and to redeem mankind from sin and death. The man Jesus is not Jehovah (“the LORD”), God, or Almighty. Jesus himself is recorded in the 'New Testament’ as saying he is "a man" and several others teach and say that Jesus is "a man" all throughout the 'New Testament.' Nowhere in ANY translation of the 'New Testament' is it EVER taught or said, “Jesus is God” or is Jesus EVER recorded as saying "I am God." John 1:1 does not teach or say "...and the Word was Jesus." or "Jesus is God.' John 20:31 says "But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name." No. It does not say 'But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is God.' In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was fully God. The Word was with God in the beginning. All things were created by him [God, not Jesus], and apart from him [God, not Jesus] not one thing was created that has been created. In him [God, not Jesus] was life, and the life was the light of mankind. And the light shines on in the darkness, but the darkness has not mastered it. (John 1:1-5 - The NET Bible). In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was fully God. The Word was with God in the beginning. All things were created by him [God, not Jesus], and apart from him [God, not Jesus] not one thing was created that has been created. In him [God, not Jesus] was life, and the life was the light of mankind. And the light shines on in the darkness, but the darkness has not mastered it. (John 1:1-5 - The NET Bible). "Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you executed, both Lord and the Messiah (Acts 2:36). No. Jehovah did not make his son Jesus “the LORD” (Jehovah). The man Jesus when HERE ON EARTH certainly did not Lord over his God and Father "the LORD" (Jehovah) Who is IN HEAVEN, since He is the head over Jesus (1 Corinthians 11:3; Ephesians 1:21-23). Jesus is not the Most High or Almighty (El Shaddai אל שדי‎). Jesus is not the Alpha and Omega in Revelation 1:8 since the Alpha and Omega is said to be the "Almighty." The man Jesus cannot be the "Almighty" since he said that his Father Jehovah Who is IN HEAVEN is GREATER THAN he when he himself was HERE ON EARTH or IN THE WORLD. CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN Just as Jesus is not literally bread (manna) and one does not literally eat his flesh, he also did not literally come down from heaven nor is he literally bread or manna that comes down from heaven. “I am the bread of life. Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die. I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.” John 6:48-51 Jesus was born of a woman and his God was not. God did not come to earth as flesh, but God sent His son into the world as a flesh and blood mortal man. The man Jesus came in the flesh or into the world just as any other man. THE SWORD OF THE SPIRIT IS GOD’S WORD. The sword of the spirit is God's word. Jesus said that the word that he spoke was not his own but was the word that his God and Heavenly Father Jehovah IN HEAVEN had commanded him to speak. “… For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.” (Revelation 19:10). The man Jesus is figuratively spoken of as having a sword proceeded from his mouth in Revelation. This sword represents Jesus speaking his God and Heavenly Father and Creator’s word. The sword of the spirit is God's word which is an integral part of the armor that one (Yes. Even Jesus) is instructed to put on to fight off the wiles of the devil. The breath of Jesus' mouth is the spirit of God (2 Thessalonians 2:8; cf. Isaiah 11:14 & Revelation 19:15). The sword of the spirit is his God Jehovah’s word. Jesus’ title is called The Word of God” in Revelation since he is the spokesman (angel, messenger, prophet) of his God and Heavenly Father and Creator Jehovah’s word IN THESE LAST DAYS. Jesus was not a spokesman of God’s word IN THE BEGINNING, but it was the prophets of old who were the spokesmen of His word (Hebrews 1:1-2; cf. John 12:49). For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart (Hebrews 4:12). Any man can say that God is in them or with them just as the man Jesus did. Jesus told his followers that he would be in or with them. That does not make them Jesus just as the man Jesus saying that God is in him does not make him God. Jesus is no more special than any other man. Jesus is called “the righteous” setting an example for all other men as any other man can also do. Before Jesus had ascended to heaven, he told his followers that the Father had given him from the world that they would do greater works than he. Nowhere in the 'New Testament' does it ever speak of the man Jesus being a spirit in a preexistence with His God and Father Who is IN HEAVEN. Even after God had raised him from the dead to be an immortal man, he said that he was not a spirit. Jesus is a man OF God, not God. Jesus is not his God and Heavenly Father and Creator Jehovah. Jesus is a son OF man (Adam) and a son OF God. Luke traces Jesus' genealogy all the way back to Adam. Jesus is also called a son OF David and a son OF Abraham. Just What Do You Mean - The "Son of God"? http://www.hope-of-israel.org/sonofgod.htm The man Jesus is said to be without sin or having no sin. Any man can be said to be "without sin” or having no sin. Isaiah 43:25 "I, even I, am He who blots out your transgressions, for My own sake, and remembers your sins no more. Isaiah 44:22 I have swept away your offenses like a cloud, your sins like the morning mist. Return to me, for I have redeemed you." Isaiah 1:18 "Come now, let us settle the matter," says Jehovah. "Though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red as crimson, they shall be like wool. SALVATION Salvation and being born again are future events. First comes repentance then endurance in obedience till the end and then comes salvation and being born again. Jesus was not saved and born again until after he had died. John the Baptist taught and said that one must show signs of repentance before even being baptized. Ephesians 2:8 For by grace [favor] you are saved through faith, and this not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, (Berean Literal Bible) ... Salvation in the 'Old Testament': Genesis 45:5-7, 49:18, Exodus 6:6-7, 15:2; Hosea 13:4; 1 Samuel 2:1, 17:37, 22:1-3, 18; 2 Samuel 22:2-3; Psalms 18:46, 1:118:14, 3:8, 18:2, 17, 28:8, 69:13-15, 85:9, 98:2, 130:7, 111:9, 107:2; Daniel 6:16-22, 12:1; Ezekiel 34:12; Isaiah 43:11, 44:2, 45:21-22, 49:6, 52:10; 1Kings 1:29-30; 2 Kings 13:5; Lamentations 3:57-58; Job 19:25-27; 1 Chronicles 16:35; Judges 2:16-18, 6:14-16, 10:13-14; Jeremiah 3:23, 11:12. Obviously, Jesus is not Jehovah God. During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the One Who could save him from death, and He was heard because of his reverent submission (Hebrews 5:7). God did not seek anyone to save Him from death. In fact, God is an immortal being and cannot die. Jesus is not God. Jesus died. Jehovah God saved His son Jesus. Jehovah has no need to be saved. Psalm 49:15 But God will redeem me from the realm of the dead; He will surely take me to Himself. For you will not abandon my soul to Hades or let your Holy One see corruption (Acts 2:27). Jesus was not saved until after he was dead. Salvation is a future event. One must first repent and then they must endure in obedience till the end. Then comes salvation after one is dead. John the Baptist taught that one must show signs of repentance before being baptized in water for the remission of sin. Once saved always saved (O.S.A.S) is a false doctrine not taught in the Bible. There is no “blessed assurance” of salvation taught is the Bible. Jesus was a mortal man susceptible to death. Jehovah is immortal and is not susceptible to death. Jesus is not his God and Heavenly Father Jehovah. Jesus is OF God, not God. Jehovah gave his son Jesus all power or authority in heaven and in the earth and to redeem mankind from sin and death. But that you may know that the son of man has power on earth to forgive sins … (Mark 2:10; Matthew 9:6, 11:27; Colossian 2:10; 1 Peter 3:22; John 3:25, 17:2, 19:11; 1 Corinthians 15:24). And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to me in heaven and on earth (Matthew 28:16). … far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come (Ephesians 1:21). The man Jesus was led by his Heavenly Father and Creator Jehovah’s spirit and became a son OF God. "For as many as are led by the spirit OF God, they are the sons of God." (Romans 8:14) We know that Jesus Christ the Son of God has come and has shown us the true God. And because of Jesus, we now belong to the true God who gives eternal life (John 5:20 - Contemporary English Version). The man Jesus when HERE ON EARTH or IN THE WORLD in communication [prayer] with his God and Father Jehovah Who is IN HEAVEN said. “And this is life eternal, that they might know You the ONLY true God, and Jesus the Messiah whom You have sent.” (John 17:3) JESUS BORN OF A VIRGIN? JESUS' ORIGIN Funny that the greater part of the 'New Testament' consist of Paul's letters and he made no mention of Jesus being born of a virgin. Concerning his Son Jesus the Christ our Master, which was made of the seed of David ACCORDING TO THE FLESH; (Romans 1:3). The man Jesus was of the seed of Abraham and came into existence or came in the flesh by being born of a woman just as any other man. For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. Wherefore in all things it behooved him to be MADE like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people (Hebrews 2:16-17). For indeed he who makes holy and those being made holy ALL HAVE THE SAME ORIGIN, and so he is not ashamed to call them brothers and sisters, saying, "I will proclaim your name to my brothers; in the midst of the assembly I will praise you." (Hebrews 2:11-12) Jesus took not on the nature of angels and was never like these heavenly beings and did not preexist his birth. Jesus was only an angel in that he was a messenger, since that is what the word 'angel' basically means. He was MADE like his brothers "IN EVERY RESPECT", A MAN. He was made lower than the angels just as any other man, but only for a short time. Jesus' brothers were never of the same nature as the heavenly hosts in a pre-existence a neither was, he. Jesus was an earthly messenger (angel) that did not preexist in heaven before the world was. Jesus was not a spokesman (prophet, angel [messenger]) of God's word in the beginning, but in theses last days according to Hebrews 1:1-2. Joseph is the man Jesus' biological and earthly father and Jehovah is his Heavenly Father by adoption just as Jehovah is with any other man (woman, child). And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, son why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing (John 10:34). The MAN Jesus was sent into the world, came into existence or came in the flesh, was born of a woman and was made lower than the angels just as any other man or prophet before him. Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father has sent me, even so send I you (John 20:21). One being made in the form, image or likeness of God does not make them God. The man Jesus was born, came into existence or came in the flesh of a woman and was MADE a little lower than the heavenly angels just as any other man or prophet before him. The man Jesus had Joseph as a biological father and God as his Heavenly Father and Creator just as any other man. Jesus was not born of a virgin. Jesus has a biological and earthly father and a Heavenly Father and God just as any other man. Jesus was made like his brothers IN EVERY RESPECT. https://sites.google.com/site/thenameyahweh/Home/jesus-is-god/eternal-virgin Well then, the Lord himself will give you a sign: a young woman who is pregnant will have a son and will name him 'Immanuel.' (Isaiah 7:14 - Good News Translation). For this reason, the sovereign master himself will give you a confirming sign. Look, this young woman is about to conceive and will give birth to a son. You, young woman, will name him Immanuel (Isaiah 7:14 - NET Bible). Therefore, the Lord Himself shall give you a sign: behold, the young woman shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel (Isaiah 7:14 - JPS Tanakh 1917). The man Jesus was of the seed of Abraham and came into existence or came in the flesh by being born of a woman just as any other man. JESUS A MAN "Son of man" exists in Egyptian documents from 1900 B.C.E. The man Jesus when HERE ON EARTH or IN THE WORLD was saved by his God and Heavenly Father and Creator Jehovah Who is IN HEAVEN. Jehovah God has no need to be saved. God is not a man. All men were created mortal beings and are suseptable to death, including the man Jesus. God is not suseptable to death and cannot die since He is immortal. Jesus died. No MAN has seen God or can be God. God is not a man. All men were created mortal beings and are susceptible to death, including the man Jesus. God is not susceptible to death and cannot die since He is immortal. Jesus died. As a masculine noun, 'adam means "man",“mankind” usually in a collective context as in humankind. The noun 'adam is also the masculine form of the word adamah which means "ground" or "earth" and is related to the words: adom (red), admoni (ruddy), and dam (blood). Jesus is referred to as "A MAN" or as a son of man in the 'New Testament' and he even referred to himself as "A MAN" and a son of man, but he is never recorded in the 'New Testament' as saying "I am God."       John 8:40 [KJV] But now ye seek to kill me, A MAN that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.   Just as God performed miracles through the prophet Moses, he also performed miracles through the prophet Jesus who is said to be the prophesied prophet like unto Moses. The men Moses and Jesus did not actually perform miracles, but it was God that did the works of miracles through them.   Acts 2:22 “Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was A MAN accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, WHICH GOD DID among you THROUGH him, as you yourselves know.    Acts 2:23 This MAN was handed over to you by God’s set purpose and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross. Man would be hard-pressed in even attempting to execute God by nailing Him to a cross and piercing Him with a spear. 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the MAN the Messiah. There are two separate and distinct beings, persons or entities spoken of in 1 Timothy 2:5, not one or three. Jesus is but a mere MAN and not God, a god or an angel that preexisted with God in the beginning.   The MAN Jesus is recorded in ‘New Testament’ teaching and saying that he is “a man,” but he is never recorded as teaching or saying, ‘I am God.’ Jesus is not his God and Heavenly Father Jehovah God.         Titus 2:13 is speaking of two separate and distinct beings or persons. One being the Great God and the other being God's SON Jesus whom the FATHER God gave authority or power to be savior.     Jesus is but a mere MAN and not God, a god or an angel that preexisted with God in the beginning.   But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the (Adam) how much more did God’s favor and the gift that came by the favor of the one MAN Jesus the Christ, overflow to the many! (Romans 5:15). Jesus did not literally come down from heaven. He was sent into the world just as all other prophets and men before him.   Luke traces Jesus' genealogy all the way back to Adam.   The Greek word for ‘man’ in these verses is Anthropos.   The Greek word anthropos means a human being, whether male or female, generically, to include all human individuals, to distinguish man from beings of a different race or order.   Anthropos is used to describe Adam, the first man. In the same verse (Romans 5:15) it is used to describe Jesus the Christ. If words mean anything, one must believe that Jesus the Christ was a flesh and blood human being just like Adam.     On the other hand, Scripture says “God is not a man.” Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that He should lie, nor a son of man.   Numbers 23:19 (NRSV) God is not a human being, that He should lie, or a mortal.   Hosea 11:9 For I am God, and not man” one Who is set apart from among all other Gods among you. The meaning of the phrase “son of man” is that Jesus was truly a human being. God called the prophet Ezekiel “son of man” 93 times. God was simply calling Ezekiel a human being. A son of a man is a man. Definition of Son Of Man by Merriam-Webster https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/son%20of%20man Son Of Man, The Definition and Meaning - Bible Dictionary https://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionary/son-of-man-the Jesus’ Resurrection The man Jesus is not the only begotten son OF God. He was the only son of God who had been begotten (firstborn, born again) of the dead HERE ON EARTH. He is not the firstborn son of the living, but of the dead. The man Jesus was born of a woman and came into existence as a mortal man susceptible to death just as any other man. After he had been brought back to life (resurrected) by his God and Father Jehovah Who is IN HEAVEN he received an immortal body of flesh and bone that is not susceptible to death and he is now an immortal man in heaven. FOR YTP/DKS: Yeah! Those Pharisaic Jews are pretty creepy believing in the resurrection of the dead. Zombies? Yeah! Pretty creepy! And how about those Christians believing in disembodied spirit beings? That’s even creepier too, hey? Those ghostly beings would really scare the hell out of you by coming up right in front of you without your even seeing them and say, “Boo!” :D <<< Replace with scary smiley 1 Corinthians 15:42-44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. Philippians 3:21 who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body. 1 Corinthians 15:50-53 I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed- in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. … … For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. Ezekiel 37:11 Then he said to me: "Son of man, these bones are the people of Israel. They say, 'Our bones are dried up and our hope is gone; we are cut off.' Ezekiel 37:1-5 1The hand of Jehovah was on me, and he brought me out by the Spirit of Jehovah and set me in the middle of a valley; it was full of bones. He led me back and forth among them, and I saw a great many bones on the floor of the valley, bones that were very dry. … … He asked me, "Son of man, can these bones live?" I said, "Sovereign LORD, you alone know." Then he said to me, "Prophesy to these bones and say to them, 'Dry bones, hear the word of the LORD! This is what the Sovereign LORD says to these bones: I will make breath enter you, and you will come to life. I believe Jesus being born of a virgin is a Trinitarian translator's bias interpolation and that they capitalized and personified God's word and pinned it on Jesus making him out to be God. JESUS CREATED? DIA Jesus created nothing! All things were created because of [dia] him; and without him was not anything made that was made (John 1:3). For because of him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created because of him, and for him: (Colossians 1:16). Jehovah God's word was made known or revealed (manifested) by WAY of, through or by means of Jesus' flesh. Jehovah God created because of, for the sake of, or on account of Jesus, not by or through him. Did Jesus Preexist His Birth as a Creator or a Co-creator? - https://sites.google.com/site/thenameyahweh/Home/yahshua-did-he-pre-exist Jesus created nothing! In fact, in the 'New Testament' he is recorded as giving credit to his God and Father Jehovah Who is IN HEAVEN for the creation of mankind. - "Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator [Jehovah] 'made them male and female,' (Matthew 19:4; cf. Genesis 5:2, 1:27). A correct translation of the Greek word Di' or Dia. Dia is in the KJV translated several ways, but usually is translated as follows: By - 243 times; through - 100 times; for - 106 times; because - 24 times; because of - 29 times; for the sake of - 32 times; etc. It all depends on the context of how it is the be properly translated into diverse languages. The man Jesus did not preexist his birth just as any other man. No man or other God was involved in the creating the heavens and the earth and all things in them. It was God alone, by Himself and with no one beside Him Who created. He who made the Pleiades and Orion And changes deep darkness into morning, Who also darkens day into night, Who calls for the waters of the sea And pours them out on the surface of the earth, Jehovah is His Name (Amos 58). For this says Jehovah that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; He has established it, He created it not in vain, He formed it to be inhabited: I am Jehovah; and there is none else [Isaiah 45:18]. I am Jehovah, and there is no other; There is no God besides Me. I will gird you, though you have not known Me, that they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside Me. I am Jehovah, and there is no one else (Isaiah 45:5-6). 64 Verses that say God is the Creator, not His SON Jesus. https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/God,-The-Creator But there is a place where someone has testified: "What is mankind that you are mindful of them, A SON OF MAN that you care for him? You made them a little lower than the angels; you crowned them with glory and honor and put everything under their feet." In putting everything under them, God left nothing that is not subject to them. … Hebrews 2:6-13 This also includes the man or son of man Jesus. Jehovah gave man dominion over His creation in the beginning. You made them rulers over the works of your hands; you put everything under their feet: (Psalm 8:6). Jesus had to be a man or a son of man (Adam) MADE just like his brothers in every respect [fully human in every way - ISV] so that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest IN SERVICE TO GOD, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people (Hebrews 2:17) . Jesus is even said to be the prophesied prophet like unto Moses. Note that Jesus is in service to his God Jehovah. He is not Jehovah God. Jesus being born of a virgin is a Trinitarian translator's interpolation. If Trinitarians did not have their preexistent born of a virgin Jesus, their triune God wouldn’t have a leg to stand on. JESUS MADE LIKE HIS BROTHERS IN EVERY RESPECT Jesus is a man of the seed of Abraham. For surely, he took not on [the nature of] angels; but took on the seed of Abraham (Hebrews 2:16). The man Jesus is OF God, not God. He is figuratively referred to as a son OF God, a lamb OF God, a son OF Adam, a son OF David and a son OF Abraham which makes him a man like any other man. All men can be OF God, become a son OF God and be lambs (sheep) OF God. Matthew 1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus the Christ, the son OF David, the son OF Abraham … This is the beginning of the genealogy of the man Jesus the Christ. Luke 1:1- traces Jesus’ genealogy all the way back to the first of mankind Adam. This shows that Jesus is just a man MADE like his brothers IN EVERY RESPECT. The man Jesus or any other man was not born of a virgin. The man Jesus was MADE like his brothers IN EVERY RESPECT, so he was co-created like his brothers, was not the first created, was not born of a virgin and did not preexist his birth in any form. https://biblehub.com/hebrews/2-17.htm The man Jesus had a biological father and a Heavenly Father just as all other men. Jesus is not his God Jehovah since God cannot be tempted by Satan but a mere man such as Jesus could be. For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are-yet he is without sin (Hebrews 4:15). The man Jesus when HERE ON EARTH or IN THE WORLD is recorded in the 'New Testament' after he had been raised from the dead (resurrected) by his God and Father Who is IN HEAVEN as saying that he is not a spirit but flesh and bone just as any other man. The man Jesus is a son of man and a son of God just as any other man is a son of man and become a son of God. Jesus is recorded in the 'New Testament' as saying that he is "a man" but he is never recorded as saying "I am God." The man Jesus is recorded in the 'New Testament' as saying that he had come from, sent by or that he had “come down from heaven.” In the "Prophecy of Neferty" 3900 years ago, Amenemhat I is called "son of man" as opposed to "son of Ra" which is a royal epithet. It emphasizes that he is not of royal lineage but a commoner but that it's OK for him to be King. Muslims do not believe that anyone can be a son of God. Don't try any compare what the Bible teaches with what Muslims teach because they believe the Bible to be erroneous. Nowhere in ANY translation of the ‘New Testament’ is anyone ever asked to believe and confess “Jesus is God.”, the doctrine Deity of Jesus Christ or that God is a “Holy Trinity” that consist of three persons. What one is asked to believe and confess is that Jesus is the Messiah the SON OF the living God. Following are verses from the ‘New Testament’ of what one is to believe and confess concerning Jesus: BELIEVE: 1 John 3:23, 5:1, 5:5; John 6:29, 20:31; Acts 8:37, 19:4 - CONFESS: Philippians 2:11; 1 John 4:15, 1 John 1:17. Jesus is not God, but is the Messiah a son OF the living God. The word 'manifest' means "make known" or "to reveal." It does not mean to change from one form of being to another as many Christians would have you to deceptively believe. The man Jesus was made known or revealed in these last days in the flesh. The man Jesus came in or was born by means of the flesh of woman just as any other man. But now you seek to kill me, A MAN that has told you the truth, WHICH I HAVE HEARD FROM GOD: this did not Abraham (John 8:40). The "Jesus had NO BLOOD" poppycock doctrine: The man Jesus had blood just as any other man. Jesus having NO BLOOD after he had been resurrected by his God is a lie. Jesus created nothing! The man Jesus when HERE ON EARTH or IN THE WORLD is recorded in the 'New Testament' as crediting his God and Father Who is IN HEAVEN for the creation of mankind and for the heavens and the earth and ALL THINGS IN THEM. Jehovah God saved his SON Jesus from death. God is Jesus’ Heavenly FATHER and Creator Jehovah. Jesus is not God. The man Jesus was born again when HERE ON EARTH or IN THE WORLD and his God and Father IN HEAVEN saved him. The man Jesus is the firstborn man born again and redeemed from death here ON EARTH by his God and Father Who is IN HEAVEN to live for all eternity. Jesus is not the firstborn or created of the living by God in the beginning. He is instead the firstborn of the dead. The man Jesus was born of a woman as are all other men and then became the firstborn of the dead of MANY brothers to live for all eternity. The man Jesus is recorded in the 'New Testament' as teaching and saying that he is a son OF ‘the LORD’ (Jehovah) God and “a man.” [son of man]. Jesus lineage traces all the way back to Adam the first of mankind in Luke 1. Therefore, the man Jesus is called the second man (Adam). Adam is also a son of God. The man Jesus when he was HERE ON EARTH or IN THE WORLD is recorded in the ‘New Testament’ as saying that he is not a spirit even after his God and Father Who is IN HEAVEN had raised him from the dead (resurrected) and had given him an incorruptible body. Jesus is referred to as returning from or coming down from heaven as a man in the ‘New Testament.’ But they were terrified and frightened and supposed that they had seen a spirit. And he said unto them, “Why are you troubled and why do thoughts arise in your hearts? Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit has not flesh and bones, as you see me have (Luke 24:37-39). https://biblehub.com/luke/24-39.htm Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son OF God? (1 John 5:5 ) No! Not he that believes Jesus is God! That's silly and makes no sense at all. Jesus is figuratively a son OF God and a lamb OF God, not God. And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world (1 John 4:14). No. He did not send His son to be God. That is silly and makes no sense at all! Jesus is his God and Heavenly Father and Creator's representative HERE ON EARTH or IN THE WORLD in these last days. Jesus is his FATHER’S SON and the spokesman OF his God and Father’s word in these last days (Hebrews 1:1-2). What was Simon Peter inspired by God Who is IN HEAVEN to say who Jesus was? “You are the Messiah the Son OF the living God.” No. Not God, but OF God! I will pointlessly continue to argue with Christians that the 'New Testament' doesn't say "Jesus is God." NOWHERE in ANY translation of the 'New Testament' does it say "Jesus is God." and you will NEVER find Jesus recorded as saying "I am God." ;) Scripture is not all about Jesus. The man Jesus is but one of many humble servants of God the Father Who is IN HEAVEN. Jesus made his God and Heavenly Father and Creator’s word known (manifest) unto the men that He had given him from the world and in turn other men can also make God’s word known to others. Jesus told his disciples before he had ascended to heaven that they would do greater works than he. Jesus is not “the LORD” (Jehovah) or God since he said, “My doctrine is not mine, but His Who sent me” (John 7:16). The man Jesus being “not of the world” does not make him God just as any other man being not of this world. John 17:16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of it. John 17:14 I have given them your word and the world has hated them, for they are not of the world any more than I am of the world. John 15:19 If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you. Jesus is an earthly angel (messenger) but not a heavenly angel that preexisted his birth. The man Jesus did not preexist his birth as a spirit being before he was born and neither did any other man. Jesus said that he was not a spirit even after God had raised him from the dead with an incorruptible body of flesh and bone. Men would be hard-pressed in even attempting to execute God by nailing Him to a tree or a wooden cross and piercing Him with a spear! :D Jesus is never recorded in ANY translation of the 'New Testament' as proclaiming to be God or "Yod Heh Vav Heh." Jesus said, "I am with you for only a short time, and then I am going to the One Who sent me." (John 7:33). God, Jesus' Father and "OUR Father Who is IN HEAVEN ..." sent him into the world is the One Who Jesus is saying he is going to in this verse. It is obvious that Jesus is not God and that there is only one God and it is speaking of two separate and distinct persons, beings or entities. Jesus is an angel. The word 'angel' means messenger. Jesus is most certainly a messenger of his God and Father's word in these last days in accordance with Hebrews 1:1-2, but he did not preexist his birth as a messenger (angel), prophet or was spokesman of his God's word in the beginning in accordance with this same verse. The man Jesus or any other man saying that they are one with God is not their saying that they are God. The word 'god' simply signifies one having power, strength or might or one who have been given it. THRONES I don’t see Jesus and his God and Heavenly Father and Creator sitting on thrones as literal thrones. It seems to me the word throne simply is in reference to the power or authority that God has and had given to His son Jesus. The man Jesus when here ON EARTH was given all power or authority by his God and Father Who is IN HEAVEN. Why would God need to be given power or authority by another since He has had all power or authority from the very beginning? The word 'god' is simply in reference to one who is said to have power, strength or might. When in reference to God the Creator, He is referenced to as the Almighty God. The man Jesus is not Almighty since he said that his Father is GREATER THAN he. JESUS IS NOT GOD There is no "God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost" mentioned anywhere in the Bible. There is also no mention of the Godhead consisting of three persons or there being a triune God. Scripture clearly teaches and says that God is one, not triune. Jesus is not called "The Word of God” as if he literally preexisted as God word in the beginning. It says in Revelation that his title/name is called "The Word of God." Jesus is titled the word of God in Revelation since he is the spokesman (messenger, angel, prophet) of his God and Heavenly Father's word IN THESE LAST DAYS. Jesus was not a spokesman (messenger, angel, spokesman of God's word IN THE BEGINNING according to Hebrews 1:1-2. Jesus, Moses and other men did not actually perform miracles, but it was God’s by means of the power of His spirit that done miracles THROUGH them. Jesus is said to be a prophet and faithful servant of his God and Father Who is IN HEAVEN like unto Moses. Moses and Jesus are but men and not God. God gave them both the power or authority and performed miracles THROUGH them.     Acts 2:22 Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you THROUGH him, as you yourselves know. Jesus is a servant and a man OF God, not God. The man Jesus when HERE ON EARTH was but a humble servant of his God and Father Jehovah Who is IN HEAVEN. Any man can be a humble servant of their God and Father Jehovah Who is IN HEAVEN.   The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified His servant Jesus (Acts 3:13). God raised up His servant (Acts 3:26). Obviously, Jesus is not the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob or the God of the fathers. The ‘New Testament’ says that the man Jesus is his God’s servant ‘Behold, My servant, whom I have chosen, in whom My soul is well pleased.’ [Matt 12:18] Since the man Jesus is God’s servant and there is only but one God, Jesus cannot be God. The man Jesus when here ON EARTH decided to serve, do the will, command, instruction, teaching, law, torah, etc. of his God and Heavenly Father and Creator Who is IN HEAVEN. "Not my will but Your will be done." During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the One Who could save him from death, and He was heard because of his reverent submission (Hebrews 5:7). God did not seek anyone to save Him from death. In fact, God is an immortal being and cannot die. Jesus is not God. Jesus died. Jesus is not "The LORD" (YHWH). Jesus' God and Father Who is IN HEAVEN made him a lesser Lord than that of Himself. Jesus was HERE ON EARTH when his God and Father Who is IN HEAVEN made him Lord, meaning that God the Father had given His SON Jesus all power or authority in heaven and in the earth and made him Lord of Lords in the heavens and in the earth. Jesus does not Lord over his God and Father Jehovah. All prophets and men came forth or were sent forth by the Father Who is IN HEAVEN. The man Jesus is said to be the Chief of those who are sent forth into the world. Jesus is the Chief Apostle (one sent forth). The book of John is the only book in all the ‘New Testament’ that records Jesus as saying that he “came down from heaven.” This is said figuratively in that he was sent into the world. https://sites.google.com/site/thenameyahweh/Home/yahshua-came-down-from-heaven Trinitarians made Jesus out to be God through their twisted translations. Jesus' Heavenly Father and Creator Jehovah made him Lord which is not to be confused with "the LORD" (JHVH). Peter is not the rock on which the assembly is built. The rock on which the assembly is built is that Jesus is the Messiah the SON OF the living God. Jesus is God is not the rock on which the assembly is built either. Orthodox Study Bible pg. 1299 says that Jesus' statement "You are Peter and upon this rock I will build my Church [Matthew 16:18] was not of Peter himself, but of the faith of his confession.” The rock was Peter's confession of faith that "Jesus is the Messiah the SON OF the living God. ALL MEN have sinned. The man Jesus sinned. Any man can be said to be "without sin" or having no sin. Come now, and let us reason together, says Jehovah: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool [Isaiah 1:18]. Jesus is recorded in the 'New Testament' as saying that he is "a man." He is never recorded as saying "I am God." Any man can be said to be "without sin" or having no sin. Come now, and let us reason together, says Jehovah: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool [Isaiah 1:18]. Anyone who says that the Jehovah of the Old Testament is Jesus has been deceived. Jesus did not become one of the messengers (angels) of "the LORD" (YHWH) till he was born or came into existence of a woman and grew in wisdom and stature here in the world or on earth. Jesus is never recorded in the ‘New Testament’ as claiming to be God, but he is recorded as saying that he is “a man.” Jesus is not God but is the Messiah the son OF the living God. Jesus is OF God. He is figuratively called a son OF God and a lamb OF God. The man Jesus became a son OF God just as any other man can become a son OF God. This is what one is asked to believe and confess concerning Jesus. NOWHERE in ANY translation of the 'New Testament' is anyone ever asked to believe and confess "Jesus is God." Jesus asked his disciples, saying, “Whom do men say that I a son of man [Adam] am?” (Matthew 16:13). Simon Peter under the inspiration of God's set apart [holy] spirit replied, "You are the Messiah the son OF the living God.” Note that none of them said, 'Some say you are God.' This tells me that no one at that time believed that Jesus is God. I believe this deceptive doctrine is a result of the falling away from the truth that was prophesied in the ‘New Testament.’ What do you think about this Jesus character in the 'New Testament' that many Christians deceptively proclaim to be their God? Even the man Jesus had never seen God at any time. NO MAN has seen God at any time; the only son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he has declared Him [John 1:18]. :D ¿spɹɐʍʞɔɐq puɐ uʍop ǝpᴉsdn poפ sᴉ snsǝſ ʇɐɥʇ ǝʌoɹd noʎ uɐƆ :D Angel means messenger. Heavenly angels are referred to as men in Scripture and any earthly man can be a messenger, prophet or spokesman of God's word. A man being made in the image, form, or likeness of God does not make that man God. Jesus is not Jehovah or God. Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God: (John 8:54). The man Jesus gave all glory to his God and Heavenly Father and Creator Jehovah (John 3:34; 4:26; 5:19,30; 7:16,18,28, 8:17,18,28,42,54,50; 12:47-50; 14:24; 17:8; Matthew 20:23; 26:39; Acts 3:22,26). Jesus is not Jehovah or God. The man Jesus when HERE ON EARTH or IN THE WORLD communicated (prayed) to His God and Father Jehovah "who art in heaven." (Matthew 14:23, 19:13, 26:39, 27:46, 26:42-44; Mark 1:35, 6:46, 14:35-36; Luke 3:21, 5:16, 6:12, 9:18, 9:28, 11:1-4, 22:41; John 14:16, 17:1, 17:9, 17:11, 17:15). The man Jesus when HERE ON EARTH saying that he is one with his Father IN HEAVEN does not make him God. Jesus told his God and Father IN HEAVEN in prayer "You are the only true God." Jesus said, "And now I am no more in the world, but these [the apostles and his disciples] are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your Own Name those whom You have GIVEN me, that they may be one, AS WE ARE (John 17:11). All that the man Jesus spoke he spoke to the people in parable and FIGURATIVELY said that he “came down from heaven” in that his God and Father Who is IN HEAVEN sent His son Jesus INTO THE WORLD just as he had sent all other former prophets before him. With many similar parables Jesus spoke the word to them, as much as they could understand. He did not say anything to them without using a parable. But when he was alone with his own disciples, he explained everything (Mark 4:43-44; cf. Matthew 13:34). Jesus is not the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob or Israel. Jesus is not God. Jesus did not even exist in the time of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The man Jesus when ON EARTH or IN THE WORLD was saved by his God and Father and Creator Jehovah Who is IN HEAVEN. Jesus is not God since God has no need to be saved. Peter was inspired by God to say that Jesus is the Messiah the Son of the living God and Jesus said that his being the Messiah the Son of the living God is the rock that the assembly is to be built on, not "Jesus is God." The man Jesus is not God. Jesus when ON EARTH or IN THE WORLD communicated (prayed) to his God and Father Who is IN HEAVEN. Jesus did not communicate with himself. Why would a prophet Jesus be sent into the world to "do away with" his God and Heavenly Father and Creator's teaching? Christians made for themselves a schizoid God Jesus. Jesus did not preexist his birth as an angel (messenger) of God according to Hebrews 1:1-2. He was also not born of a virgin. He was made a mortal man lower than the heavenly angels and came into existence or in the flesh as a man born of a woman just as any other man. Jesus is in no way “the LORD” (Jehovah) God. Jesus is OF God, not God. Yeshua, as the agent of YEHOVAH God, is FULLY empowered to LEGALLY and FULLY represent YEHOVAH. As the agent (shaliach) of YEHOVAH God, Yeshua is "like," or the "likeness" and "image" of YEHOVAH God; however, just as the agent (the one sent) is not the principal (who sent him), Yeshua is NOT God! Since he is the FULLY empowered agent of YEHOVAH God, he has the power to forgive sins, heal, resurrect, etc. But this power does NOT prove him to be God. All it proves is that he is FULLY empowered by YEHOVAH God! http://www.hope-of-israel.org.nz/agentofYHVH.html Men would be hard-pressed in even attempting to execute God by nailing Him to a tree, wooden cross or piercing Him with a spear! :D But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father (Matthew 24:36 & Mark 13:32). All throughout the ‘New Testament” Jesus and his God and Father Jehovah Who is IN HEAVEN are spoken of as two separate and distinct beings. Jesus is not Jehovah God. Jesus became a son OF God by adoption. God also made Jesus Lord or Master. "The God and Father of our Master Jesus the Christ." (Ephesians 1:3; 1 Peter 1:3; 2 Corinthians 1:3). Jesus BECAME God's SON at a certain point in time. But God said to him, "You are My son; TODAY I have BECOME your Father." (Hebrews 5:5) Jesus was born a mortal man and is now an immortal man in heaven. Even heavenly angels are said to be men in Scripture. No Bible ever says, "Jesus is God." No Bible ever says, "Jesus is the word of God." In no Bible will you ever find Jesus recorded as saying "I am God." When Jesus was here ON EARTH or IN THE WORLD he said, "OUR Father Who is IN HEAVEN ..." Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father [IN HEAVEN]. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am ascending to MY Father [IN HEAVEN] and your Father, to MY God and your God.'" (John 20:17) Clearly, Jesus is not God. Jesus is not the word of God but is the spokesman of his God's word in these last days. Therefore, his TITLE is prophesied in Revelation to be called "The Word of God," not that his given name is to be literally called The Word or God. Similarly, Jesus' name is not literally being called Emmanuel. Revelation also prophetically speaks of a two-edged sword that proceeds from Jesus’ mouth. The sword of the spirit is the word of God. The two-edged sword that proceeds from Jesus' mouth in Revelation represents his God's word that he is a spokesman of in these last days (Hebrews 1:1-2). The sword of the spirit is God's word and is an integral part of the armour one is to put on to fight off the wiles of the devil. God did not come to earth and take on human form, but He sent His son Jesus into the world. He sent him as He had sent all other former prophets into the world. Jesus is said to be a prophet like unto Moses. Both Moses and Jesus are but mere men just as are all other men. They were messengers (angels, spokesman, prophets) of God's word. Jesus is the spokesman of His word in these last days (Hebrews 1:1-2). But there is a place where someone has testified: "What is mankind that you are mindful of them, a son of man that you care for him? You made them a little lower than the angels; you crowned them with glory and honor and put everything under their feet." In putting everything under them, God left nothing that is not subject to them. Yet at present we do not see everything subject to them. But we do see Jesus, who was made lower than the angels for a little while, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone (Hebrews 2:6-9). Jesus was made greater than the heavenly angels later. Even earthly men other than the man Jesus will become greater than the heavenly angels. Know you not that we shall judge angels? How much more things that pertain to this life? (1 Corinthians 6:3) Jesus was made Lord or Master or given authority or power by his God and Father Who is IN HEAVEN. He was not made "the LORD (Jehovah)." Jesus is not God. If you declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be redeemed (Romans 10:9). Jesus is Lord since "the LORD" (Jehovah) made him Lord in that He had given him all power or authority in heaven and in the earth. TWO YAHWEHS? One Yahweh, TWO YAHWEHS or a Triune Yahweh of three persons? There is only one true God, not two or three. Dr. Michael Heiser is full of crap! https://drmsh.com/the-naked-bible/two-powers-in-heaven The "Two Yahwehs" doctrine is a false and deceptive doctrine. There is not a greater Yahweh and a lesser Yahweh. Jesus is not YHWH (God). There is only but one true YHWH ("the LORD" God), not two or three. Jesus taught when HERE ON EARTH or IN THE WORLD that there is only but one true Yahweh Who is his and “OUR Father Who is IN HEAVEN.” https://sites.google.com/site/thenameyahweh/two-yahwehs There is only but one YHWH, not two or three. Deuteronomy 6:4 doesn't say “Hear, O Israel: Yahweh our God is two Yahwehs, but one. https://sites.google.com/site/thenameyahweh/two-yahwehs YHWH ALONE, BY HIMSELF with NO ONE BESIDE HIM created the heavens and the earth and ALL THINGS IN THEM. Jesus created nothing! In fact, he did not even exist when his God and Heavenly Father created. https://sites.google.com/site/thenameyahweh/one-lone-yahweh Jesus Was MADE Lord by His God and Heavenly Father and Creator Jehovah. Jesus was MADE Lord by "the LORD" (Jehovah). Jesus is not "the LORD" (YHWH). YHWH made His son Jesus a lesser Lord than He. Jesus was GIVEN all power in heaven and in the earth by YHWH and is Lord of Lords, but he is not Lord over "the LORD (YHWH) his God and Heavenly Father and Creator. Jesus is not God. Jesus was MADE Lord of Lords by “the LORD (Jehovah), not Lord over "the LORD" (Jehovah). The man Jesus does not lord over his God and Heavenly Father Creator Jehovah [“the LORD”] Who is the Supreme Lord. FATHER Jehovah ("the LORD") is the head over His SON Jesus whom He made a lesser Lord than He The man Jesus is not God or “the LORD.” … FATHER Jehovah (“the LORD” - יְהֹוָה֙) made His SON Jesus Lord or Master (Adoni, Adon) when he was here ON EARTH, not the “the LORD” (Jehovah - יְהֹוָה֙). … Jehovah (“the LORD” - יְהֹוָה֙) is Adonai the Almighty or Most High and He made His SON Jesus Adoni or Adon a lesser lord than that of Himself. … Jehovah is Jesus’ God and FATHER Who is IN HEAVEN when he was here ON EARTH just as with all other men who become sons of God. The man Jesus when HERE ON EARTH received his power or authority from on high from the Most High Jehovah his God and Father and Creator Who is IN HEAVEN. God gave all power or authority in heaven and in the earth to his son Jesus and in turn has power or authority concerning the Sabbath. Jesus was made Lord, not "the LORD” (YHWH) and was MADE Lord of the Sabbath. The man Jesus when HERE ON EARTH communicated [prayed] to his God and Father Jehovah Who is IN HEAVEN and told Him that He is the one and only true God. I am Jehovah [the LORD] and there is no one else, there is no God beside Me: I girded you, though you have not known Me: That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside Me. I am Jehovah, and there is no one else (Isaiah 45:5-6). The man Jesus is not Jehovah or God since he is referred to as a son OF his Father and God Who is IN HEAVEN and is figuratively referred to as a lamb OF God, so Jesus is OF God, not God. The ONE true God that Jesus worships is Jehovah God and his God is never figuratively referred as a lamb or a son in Scripture. It's not "God the Son” but is "the son OF God.” There is no “God the Son” mentioned anywhere in Scripture. Jesus is not Jehovah's word but is the spokesman of his God and Heavenly Father and Creator’s word in the last days according to Hebrews 1:1-2. Therefore, Jesus’ title is called The Word of God in Revelation. Note that in Revelation that a two-edged sword is said to proceed from Jesus' mouth. This sword represents God's word. The sword of the spirit is God's word. God's word was made known or revealed (manifested) in the flesh by way of or through His son Jesus just as it can be through any other man. COME DOWN FROM HEAVEN? The man Jesus when here ON EARTH said that the word that he spoke was not his own but was the word of his God and Heavenly Father and Creator Jehovah Who is IN HEAVEN. He had commanded His SON Jesus to speak His word. John 12:49 For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken (cf. John 14:10, 31). Jesus was not the last prophet, spokesman, messenger or angel of God's word. He is also not the last figurative sacrificial lamb. "Present your bodies as a living sacrifice ..." The comforter is God's word. The sword of the spirit is God's word and is an integral part of the armour that one instructed to put on to fight off the wiles of the dEVIL. All that Jesus said to the people he spoke to them in parables. The man Jesus did not literally "come down from heaven." He was speaking figuratively in parable in that his God and Heavenly Father and Creator sent him into the world just as He had sent all other former prophets and men into the world. https://sites.google.com/site/thenameyahweh/Home/yahshua-came-down-from-heaven Nowhere in the 'New Testament' does it teach or say, ‘Jesus is the fullness of the Godhead bodily.’ It says, “For in him dwells all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.” The Godhead is not described as two or three persons united in one God and has nothing to do with the false so called “Holy Trinity” doctrine that is never mentioned or taught in Scripture. Godhead is in reference to the one and only true God being the head over all. God is over all, including His son Jesus. The fulness of God’s power or authority dwells in His son Jesus bodily, since it was God Who GAVE His son Jesus all power or authority in heaven and in the earth. Jesus FIGURATIVELY said that God was in him. A man saying that God is in him or with him does not make him God. The same is true with the man Jesus, Jesus also said that he is in his followers. That does not make them Jesus or God. God or Jesus can be figuratively said to be in or with any man. There is no "God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost" mentioned anywhere in ANY translation of the ‘New Testament.’ God gave his son Jesus the power and authority to redeem mankind from sin and death in these last days. Jehovah was the only Redeemer in the Old Testament. Jesus did not exist at that time. Did Thomas Call Jesus God? When Thomas exclaimed "My Lord and my God!” after seeing Jesus had truly been resurrected by his God and Father Who is IN HEAVEN, he was giving reference to two separate and distinct beings, persons or entities. One being his Lord Jesus and the other being his God Jehovah. FATHER Jehovah made His SON Jesus Lord or Master whenhe was here ON EARTH or IN THE WORLD. Jehovah did not make His son Jesus "the LORD" (Jehovah). Jesus is a man. A man being one with God does not make him God. A man being in the image, form or likeness of God does not make him God. A man being equal with God does not make him God. A man being a son OF God does not make him God. Jesus being the same yesterday and today and forever does not make him God. A man saying “I am …” does not make him God. When the man Jesus said, “I am the first and the last.”, he was not saying he was God. Jesus is a man. The man Jesus did not literally see God, but DECLAIRED Him. NO MAN has seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he has DECLAIRED him [John 1:18]. Jesus only seen God in that he perceived or understood what God had commanded him to say and do. The man Jesus was GIVEN all power or authority in heaven and in the earth. Jesus is God (Jehovah)? No. When here ON EARTH Jesus taught and said that his God and Father Who is IN HEAVEN is the only true God (John 17:3), why would God need to be GIVEN power or authority when He has had all power and authority from the very beginning? In the same way, the Messiah did not take on himself the glory of becoming a high priest. But God said to him, "You are My son; today I have become your Father." (Hebrews 5:5) This verse as do many other verses in the ‘New Testament’ show that God and Jesus are two separate and distinct beings and are not “one and the same being” as many Christians would have you to deceptively believe. JESUS BORN OF THE DEAD Jesus is the first begotten or born of the dead, not of the living. And from Jesus the Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us and washed us from our sins in his own blood, (Revelation 1:5). Jesus is not the first created in the beginning as many Christians deceptively teach. Jesus being the firstborn of ALL creation is in reference to his being the firstborn of all creation to be born of the dead, not of the living. Nowhere in the in the 'New Testament' does it ever say that Jesus was the firstborn of all creation to be born or created of the living. LIGHT OF THE WORLD No one comes unto the Heavenly Father but by the way the truth and the life. Jesus is not the only man that taught the way the trurh and the life and Jesus is not the only man who is the light of the world. Any man can be a light or lamp unto the world just as the man Jesus by speaking God’s word to others. When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness but will have the light of life." (John 8:12) "You are the light of the world. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden. Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven (Matthew 5:14-16). WHILE I AM IN THE WORLD, I am the light of the world." (John 9:5) Believe in the light WHILE YOU HAVE THE LIGHT, so that you may become children of light." When he had finished speaking, Jesus left and hid himself from them (John 12:36). The ‘New Testament’ says, "God commanded light to shine in the dark." Now God is shining in our hearts to let you know that his glory is seen in Jesus Christ. (2 Corinthians 4:6 – Contemporary English Version). Jesus is not his God and Father Who is IN HEAVEN. When Jesus was here ON EARTH, he received his power or authority from on high from his God and Father Who is IN HEAVEN. Why would God be given power or authority when He has had power or authority from the very beginning? Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me [Matthew 28:18]. One must rightly divide the word of truth and not add unto or take away from it. Jesus was made known or revealed (manifest) in the flesh. There was no knowledge of Jesus before he came into existence or was born of a woman. Jesus was Jewish man and certainly did not believe himself to be God. Any man who speaks truth can parabolically say that they are truth just as the man Jesus. Nowhere in ANY translation of the 'New Testament' will you ever find it taught or said, "Jesus is God." You will also never find Jesus recorded as teaching or saying, "I am God." Jesus was a mere man as any other man. Jesus is not the only begotten son of God. Jesus is the first begotten of the dead, not of the living. Jesus was the only begotten son of the dead but for a short time. The man Jesus is no more unique than any other son of God. Jesus is not God. Jesus’ God and Heavenly Father is immortal and cannot die. The mortal man Jesus died, and God raised him from the dead. God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of it (Acts 2:32, 3:15). Nowhere in ANY translation of the Bible will you EVER find it said, "GOD the Father, GOD the Son and GOD the Holy Ghost and these three are one." My count is three GODs, not one. The Bible teaches and says that there is but only one God, not two or three in one. The man Jesus when HERE IN THE WORLD communicated [prayed] to his God and Father Who is IN HEAVEN telling Him “Now this is eternal life: that they know You, THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus the Christ, whom You have sent (John 17:3). Even after Jesus had been resurrected by his God and Father Who is IN HEAVEN with an incorruptible ad immortal body, he said that he was not a spirit. Sacrifice and the eating of Jesus' flesh and the drinking of his blood is not to be taken literally. The 'New Testament' ask that all who follow God to present their bodies as a living sacrifice. I believe with Arians that Jesus the Christ is the Son of God and was figuratively begotten by God at a point in time, and that he is a creature distinct from the Father and is therefore subordinate to Him. I do not believe that Jesus was “begotten before time” as they do.    The MAN Jesus is no more special than any other man.   Jesus is but a man and a humble servant of his God and Father Who is IN HEAVEN and done the works he was commanded by his God. Jesus told the apostles and his disciples when he was ON EARTH and before he had ascended to heaven that they would do GREATER works than he.   Jesus is not Almighty, since he is recorded in the 'New Testament’ as saying "The Father is GREATER than I am. Jesus is not God. When here ON EARTH the MAN Jesus was a servant of His God and FATHER Who is IN HEAVEN and Jesus said that a servant is not greater than his master. Any man can become a servant of God the FATHER just as His SON Jesus did.   God is figuratively in the MAN Jesus just as He can be in any other man. Jesus even spoke of being in his followers.  God or Jesus figuratively being in a man does not make them God or Jesus.   The MAN Jesus said "I and the Father are one." and he also communicated (prayed) his desire to his God and Father Who is IN HEAVEN that the men that He had given to him from the world also be one "EVEN AS WE ARE ONE." Any man saying that he is one with the Father is not saying that they are God, but that they are united in agreement with God.   Jesus is not God since his God and Father Who is IN HEAVEN gave him the authority or power to save mankind from sin and death. This shows that Jesus did not previously have authority or power until it was given to him. Why would God need to be given authority or power, since He has had authority or power from the very beginning?    Thomas did not call Jesus God. When Thomas exclaimed "My Lord and My God!" he was giving reference to two separate and distinct beings or persons. Jesus being his Lord or Master and Jehovah being his God. Jehovah made Jesus Lord (Adon, Adoni), not "the LORD (Adonai)” Jehovah.   Jesus is only an angel in the sense that he is a messenger, since that is what the word 'angel’ means, but Jesus did not preexist his birth as an heavenly angel (messenger) that was with the Father before the world was created. Jesus was created since God created the heavens and the earth and all things in them. When ON EARTH Jesus credited his God and Father Who is IN HEAVEN for the creation of mankind. Jesus is of mankind since he was born a mere mortal man just as any other man. Jesus is now an immortal man in heaven.   Jesus is not God, since he is given reference to as "the lamb OF GOD and a son OF God. Jesus is OF God, not God. Jesus is not God. Jesus’ God and Heavenly Father and Creator was IN HEAVEN when he himself was here ON EARTH or IN THE WORLD.   Jesus is not God. Jesus when here ON EARTH or IN THE WORLD spoke of and to his God and Father Who is IN HEAVEN (Matthew 5:16, 45, 48, 6:1, 9, 7:11, 21, 5:16, 10:32, 33, 12:50, 16:17, 18:10,14,19; Mark 11:25-26; Luke 11:2).   The 'New Testament' speaks in Paul’s letters that "Praise be to the God and Father of our Master Jesus the Messiah." (Ephesians 1:3, 17; 1 Peter 1:3; 2 Corinthians 1:3).   Jesus is the Messiah the SON OF the living God. There is only one true God, not two or three Gods, persons or beings in one God. God is not a triune God but is one God.   Jesus and Paul were Monotheistic Pharisaic Jews and they both upheld the teaching of the Shema Yisrael in its saying “Hear, O Israel: YHWH our God, YHWH is one" found in Deuteronomy 6:4). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shema_Yisrael   When ON EARTH or IN THE WORLD Jesus communicated [prayed] to his God and Father Who is IN HEAVEN telling Him that this is eternal life that we may know Him the only true God and he himself that He had sent.   “And this is life eternal, that they might know You the only true God, and Jesus the Christ, whom You have sent (John 17:3).”   He [Jesus] was made known in the flesh, justified in the spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory (1 Timothy 3:16).   The MAN Jesus became a son of God just as any other man can become a son of God.   Man was not created perfect and neither was the man Jesus. The man Jesus was born or came in the flesh of a woman just as any other man. SEEING The Bible often uses the idea of seeing figuratively, to represent enlightenment. (Isaiah 6:10; Jeremiah 5:21; John 9:39-41) In this sense, a person can see God now with “the eyes of [his] heart” by having faith so as to know Him and appreciate His qualities (Ephesians 1:18). Jesus said: “Happy are the pure in heart, since they will see God.” As noted earlier, some who please God will be resurrected to heaven and will thus “see God” there.—Matthew 5:8; Psalm 11:7. Since Jesus perfectly reflected the personality of his Father, Jehovah God, he could rightly say: “Whoever has seen me has seen the Father also.”—John 14:9. https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/see-god Seeing in the Bible is not always in reference what one sees with their eyes. It can also refer to perceiving or understanding. A prophet can also be referred to as a seer. Come, and let us go to the seer: for he that is now called a Prophet was before time called a Seer. (Samuel 9:9) This "seer" is ro'eh and from this point on, the new Hebrew word is used, nabiy' which only has one meaning "prophet" either a false or true prophet. When Jesus said, “If you have seen me you have seen the Father.” He was speaking in a parabolic figurative sense, not literal as in seeing with the eyes, but in the sense of perceiving or understanding. I AM Abraham did not literally see Jesus in a preexistence but seen Jesus’ day or time in that he perceived or understood (seen) that there was a future promised coming Messiah. Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it and was glad (John 8:56). Jesus here is speaking of Abraham seeing him in future tense, not that he literally seen him in a preexistence. … they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction (2 Peter 3:16b). Compare other translations. https://biblehub.com/2_peter/3-16.htm Many Christians that promote the false Jesus is God or Deity of Jesus Christ doctrine as a salvation issue erroneously use the following verse to back up their belief: “I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I AM he, you will indeed die in your sins." (John 8:24). They say Jesus says that he is saying that he is “The Great I AM.” every time he is recorded as saying “I am …” throughout the ‘New Testament.’ They in turn believe it is a sin to believe Jesus is not God. Jesus is not “The Great I AM” as many Christians deceptively teach. When Jesus said "Before Abraham was, I am." he was not saying that he existed before Abraham existed, but was speaking of having predominance over Abraham or his being GREATER than him in answer to their question "Are you GREATER than our father Abraham?" When the man Jesus said, "I am ..." (ego eimi), he was saying it in reference to himself just as any other man says it in reference to themselves. One saying "I am …" in reference to themselves is not their saying that they are God. Also, one saying that they are equal or one with God is not their saying that they are God. When Jesus said, "If you have seen me you have seen the Father.", he was not speaking literally as in seeing with the eyes but was speaking figuratively as in perceiving or understanding. Philippians 2:7 does not say "Jesus gave up his divine privileges." Bias Trinitarian translators twisted the word to their own destruction. If you want, you can take the side of the Sanhedrin who were out to entrap Jesus in his words and who falsely accused him of blasphemy by making himself out to be God or equal Him, but remember that they had also falsely accused his disciple of breaking the Sabbath. … The Sanhedrin did all this in deception so that they might find a reason to arrest him or his disciples, not that they were out to learn the truth. They were false accusers, not truth seekers. Why not instead take Jesus’ side in his simply saying that he is the son OF God? He never once told them that he was God at any time. Revelation 1:8 The man Jesus is not Almighty since he said that his Heavenly Father and Creator is GREATER THAN he. The Alpha and Omega in Revelation 1:8 is in reference to Jesus' God and Heavenly Father and Creator since it is said to be the Almighty. But now you seek to kill me, A MAN that has told you the truth, WHICH I HAVE HEARD FROM GOD: this did not Abraham (John 8:40). Jesus was a mortal a man and he died. God cannot die since He is immortal. No translation of John 1:1-14 says "... and the Word was Jesus." or "Jesus is God." That's just a simple fact! ;) Jesus is not the word of God, but his title/name is called "The Word of God.” He is called this because he is the spokesman of his God and Father's word in these last days (Hebrews 1:1-2). GLORY Jesus is never recorded in the 'New Testament' as saying "I was with God before the world was created." When Jesus asked God to glorify him with the glory that he had with Him before the world was, he was not speaking of a preexistence that he had with the Father before the world was, but of the glory that he had with the Father before the world was. Jesus had glory with his God and Heavenly Father long before he was born or came into existence in the flesh of a woman. Just as a father can have glory for his child before they are born or come into existence, God also had glory for his son Jesus before he came into existence or was born. Jesus had glory or esteem with his God and Heavenly Father Jehovah LONG BEFORE HE WAS BORN OR CAME INTO EXISTENCE in the flesh of a woman. Glory - a state of great gratification or exaltation EXALT-exalt v. (transitive) To honor; to hold in high esteem. exalt v. (transitive) To raise in rank, status etc., to elevate. The glory that God gave Jesus is love, being made perfect in one with Him and becoming His son. This is the same glory that He gave to all men before the foundation of the world who choose to obey Him. And the glory which You gave me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and You in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that You have sent me, and have loved them, as You have loved me. Father, I will that they also, whom You have given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which You have given me: for You loved me before the foundation of the world. O righteous Father, the world has not known You: but I have known You, and these have known that You have sent me. And I have declared unto them Your Name and will declare it: that the love wherewith You have loved me may be in them, and I in them (John 17:22-26). The doctrine "Jesus is God" is a total contradiction of what the 'New Testament' teaches and says about Jesus.     Jehovah gave his son Jesus the power or authority to save mankind from sin and death. Jehovah saved His son Jesus. This shows that Jesus the SON of Jehovah Who is Jesus' Heavenly Father and Creator, just as He can be with any other man, are two separate and distinct beings of person and that Jesus is not God and that Jehovah is the Supreme Savior.   Jesus is recorded in the ‘New Testament’ as saying that he is but a man, but he is never recorded as saying ‘I am God.’ (John 8:40) Funny how many Christians take the side of those who were falsely accusing Jesus of the sin of blasphemy saying that he was making himself out to be God instead of taking his side in his simply saying that he is God's son. Obviously, Jesus is not God. Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, 'I am God's Son'? Do not believe me unless I do the works of my Father.   These Jews falsely accused Jesus of blasphemy in saying that he was making himself out to be God or equal with God when he never told them such foolishness. Why side with the Jews who were out to entrap Jesus in his words so that they might find a reason to arrest him instead of siding with Jesus in his simply saying that his is the SON of God?   Jesus is not literally God's word. God's word is just that, God's word. It says in Revelation that Jesus' title/name is called "The Word of God" because he is the spokesman (angel - messenger, prophet) of his Father and God's word in these last days. He was not a spokesman of His word in the beginning as Hebrews 1:1-2 makes quite clear.   Jesus is but a mere man like any other man or prophet before him and is not God, a god, or a preexistent angel (messenger) that was with his God and Father in the beginning.   The MAN Jesus was given all power or authority in heaven and in the earth by his God and Father Who is IN HEAVEN to redeem mankind from sin and death [Luke 5:24; Matthew 24:18].   The MAN Jesus cannot be "the LORD” (Adonai) God or Almighty, since he is recorded in the 'New Testament' as saying when he was here ON EARTH that his God and Father IN HEAVEN is GREATER than he.   Jesus is not God's word as a preexistent being but is the spokesman of God's word in these last days. The MAN Jesus made known or revealed (manifested) his God and Father's word by means of his flesh to the men that He had given him from the world just as any other man can make His word known by means of their flesh to men of the world.   God's set apart [holy] spirit and word were personified by Trinitarian translators to make them out to be separate Gods from the one and only true God. God's spirit and word are not separate beings, persons, or entities apart from Himself. God's spirit is His power, strength or might and His word is just that, His word that was with Him in the beginning (genesis). He spoke His word and it came to be.   John 1:1 does not say ‘... in the beginning was Jesus’, ‘Jesus was with God’ or ‘the word was Jesus.’ John 1:1 is speaking of God's word that was with Him in the beginning in the Genesis. The word 'Genesis' means "beginning."   Jesus is not literally God's word. Jesus' attributive name/title is called "The Word of God" because he is the spokesman of God's word in these last days as is revealed in Hebrews 1:1-2.   Hebrews 1:1-2 makes clear that Jesus was not the spokesman of God's word in the beginning, but that it is the prophets of old that were before him that were the spokesmen of His word in the beginning. Jesus did not even have an existence in the beginning.   The man Jesus came into existence or came in the flesh just as any other prophet or man before him.   Jesus is not God but is the SON OF God. God’s set apart [holy] spirit is not a person, but is His power, strength or might. God is not triune (three), but one. Scripture teaches that there is only one true God. Jesus taught the same (John 17:3).   But Jehovah is the true God; He is the living God, the eternal King. When He is angry, the earth trembles; the nations cannot endure His wrath (Jeremiah 10:10).   Jesus when here ON EARTH revealed in communication [prayer] to his FATHER Jehovah [the LORD - YHWH] God IN HEAVEN that Jehovah is the only true God. And this is life eternal, that they might know You the only true God, and Jesus the Christ, whom You have sent (John 17:3).   The 'New Testament' records Jesus as saying that he is "a man (a son of man [Adam], the son of David, the son of Abraham) and a son of God, but he is never recorded in ANY translation of the Bible as saying "I am God."   Jesus is not God but is the SON of his FATHER and God Who is IN HEAVEN when he himself was here ON EARTH. Joseph is the man Jesus' biological and EARTHLY father and God is his HEAVENLY Father and Creator just as He is with any other man. Jesus being the son of David, the son of Abraham and the son of God are not to be taken literally.   Jesus’ genealogy traces all the way back to the beginning of God’s creation of mankind (Adam). Jesus was but a mere mortal man as are all other men. He is now an immortal man in heaven with his Heavenly Father.   Jesus created nothing but credited his Father and God Who is in heaven for the creation of mankind. And he [Jesus] answered and said unto them, Have you not read, that He which made them [mankind - Adam and Eve] at the beginning made them male and female, ... (Matthew 19:4).   God was made known [manifested] to the world by way of or through Jesus’ flesh. No one comes unto God but by or through Jesus. He is the way, the truth and the life.   Jesus also revealed or made known [manifested] God’s word and Name to the men that He had given him from the world.   The word 'manifest' does not mean being transformed from one form of being to another as many would have you to deceptively believe, but simply means to reveal or to make known. John 1:1 does not say "... and the Word was Jesus.", "Jesus is the Word." or "Jesus is God." God's word is not Jesus. Jesus is the spokesman of God's word in theses last days (Hebrews 1:1-2). John 1:1 is speaking about God's word that Jesus is a spokesman of in these last days (Hebrews 1:1-2). It is speaking of God’s word that He spoke and what He spoke came to be. Jesus said that the words that he spoke were not his own, but those of his God and Father Who is IN HEAVEN. He said that God had commanded him what to do and speak. God did not literally become flesh, but God's word became flesh by being delivered through or by WAY of His son Jesus just as His word was delivered unto Moses. Jesus is said to be the prophesied prophet like unto Moses. The man Jesus said that a servant is not above his master and that his God and Heavenly Father and Creator is GREATER THAN he, so Jesus is not "the LORD" (Jehovah) God Almighty. Jesus was a servant of Jehovah God Who is IN HEAVEN when he himself was here ON EARTH. Jesus said he was a man, but never said he was God. Where in the Bible does it teach and say that it is impossible for man to keep the commandments of God? Jehovah is the Supreme Redeemer Who gave His son Jesus the authority or power to forgive sin. He gave His son Jesus all authority or power in heaven and on earth (Matthew 28:18; Matthew 9:6; Mark2:10). Jesus is not God. God does not humble Himself. Jesus humbled himself. Jesus has a God and only one God. "My God! My God! Why have You forsaken me?" ~ Jesus the Messiah Nowhere in the Bible does it say, "Jesus was with God before the world was created.” One must wrest (twist) the word to say such foolishness. It is only in John that Jesus is said to have "come down from heaven." This is said in a figurative sense. Jesus was sent into the world (or "came down from heaven.") just as all other former prophets before him. All righteous gifts of God come down from heaven. https://sites.google.com/site/thenameyahweh/Home/yahshua-came-down-from-heaven Jesus was born a flesh and blood mortal man that was subject to death and Jehovah made him into an immortal man who is now in heaven. An immortal man such as are the heavenly angels are not subject to death. The man Jesus clearly is not God. Jesus said unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes unto the FATHER, but by me (John 14:6). Jesus the Christ and SON of God spoke here of the Father Who is IN HEAVEN and clearly spoke of them as being two separate and distinct beings. "The God and Father of our Lord Jesus the Christ." (Ephesians 1:3; 1 Peter 1:3; 2 Corinthians 1:3) Jesus is not God and was not a spokesman, messenger [angel] or prophet of God's word in the beginning, but only in these last days according to Hebrews 1:1-2. Jesus was only an angel in the sense that he was a messenger, prophet and spokesman of God's word in these last days. Jesus was not a messenger (angel) of God's word in the beginning according to Hebrews 1:1-2. Heavenly angels did not come down from heaven and mate with and marry earthly women. "God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost is a creation of mere men. "Jesus is fully God and fully man." and "Jesus reaching around to his Godside" are two of the stupidest things that I have ever heard. Jesus did not even exist back then. There is no Jesus being a captain of the angels mentioned anywhere in the 'Old Testament.' Jesus is an angel since he is a messenger of his God and Father's word Who is IN HEAVEN. The word 'angel' simply means "messenger." Jesus did not preexist his birth as an angel with his Father according to Hebrews 1:1-2. There are earthly angels (messengers) that are flesh and blood human beings. Jesus is a great example of that! The man Jesus had no preexistence before he was born just as any other man. Jesus the Christ was not called God. “… while we look forward with hope to that wonderful day when the glory of our great God AND Savior, Jesus Christ, will be revealed." Jesus was given the authority or power to be Savior by his great God and Father Who is IN HEAVEN, but he is not the "Great God." There are two separate and distinct beings spoken of here, one being the FATHER (Great God) and the other being His SON who the Great God gave authority or power to be Savior. God does not hear sinners. One is required to show signs that they have repented of sin before even being baptized (Matthew 3:9).

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Yahshua's Glory Before the Foundation of the WorldDoes This Mean He Pre-existed?By Voy Wilks2/4/89