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"Does Anyone Think Yahweh is important?" - Discussion

I also believe it is possible that Yahweh is also not correct. I simply use it because it is the English transliteration/transcription agreed upon by most scholars of the Hebrew language and it is the first that I came to the knowledge of some 25+ years ago. When I first came to the knowledge of His Name there were few groups who even used His Name besides the Jehovah's Witnesses, and I had read from a number of scholarly sources that this transliteration/transcription was in error and a hybrid name, because the vowels of titles used in substitution were combined with His Name by Masoretic ("Jewish") scribes. I do not know Hebrew and all I can do is rely on those who know the Hebrew language, and there are many disagreements among those who say they have knowledge of the Hebrew language concerning how our Heavenly Father and Creator's Name should be transliterated/transcribed into our English language. Note that it is Father Yahweh Who is to restore to the people a pure language so that all may call on His Name in one accord and English most certainly is not a "pure language". In fact, the English language is a melting pot of diverse languages.

For THEN I will restore to the people A PURE LANGUAGE, that all may call upon the Name Yahweh, and may serve Him with one accord (Zephanyah 3:9).

This was once already done through His son Yahshua, since in communication ["prayer"] to his and our Father Who is in Heaven he said that he had manifested (made known) His Name unto the men that his and our Father Yahweh had given Him from the world. I have made Your Name known to these men whom You gave me from the world. They were Yours, and You gave them to me, and they have kept Your word (Yahchanan [John] 17:6).

Certainly Father Yahweh's son Yahshua pronounced His Name correctly, but since then after the death of the apostles and because of the "falling away", both the pronunciation of our Heavenly Father and Creator's Name and the name of His son have lost through translation. Note that in Zephanyah 3:9 Yahweh says: "For THEN I will restore ...". The question that comes to mind to me when reading this is, When is the "THEN"? Clearly He is speaking about a certain future time period when He will RESTORE His Name to all people, and since He says it will be a "PURE LANGUAGE" that He will "RESTORE", His Name must have been perverted somehow. Many scholars believe as I do that the true pronunciation of His has been lost because of the forbiddance, disuse and substitution of His Name by the so-called "Jews". Note also that the Sanhedrin (Jewish leaders) forbade also the use of His son's name. Note the context of the following verses.

But that it spread no further among the people, let us straightly threaten them, that they speak henceforth to no man in this name (Acts 4:17).

Saying, Did not we straightly command you that you should not teach in this name? and, behold, you have filled Yerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this man's blood upon us (Acts 5:28).

Yahshua Is Given Authority In His Father's Name

Yahshua had made it known that he had come in his Father's Name.
I have come in my Father's name, and you do not accept me; but if someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him (Yahchanan [John] 5:43; also cf. Mattithyah [Matthew] 21:9; 23:39; Yahchanan Mark 11:9; Lukyah 13:35).
As You have given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as you have given him. ... And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your own name those whom You have given me, that they may be one, as we [are]. While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your Name: those that you gave me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the Scripture might be fulfilled. ... I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. As You have sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. ... That they all may be one; as You, Father, [are] in me, and I in You, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that You have sent me. And the esteem which You gave me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and You in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that You have sent me, and have loved them, as You have loved me. (Yahchanan [John] 17:2, 11-12, 14, 18, 21-23).

Then Yahshua came to his disciples and said, "All power in Heaven and on Earth has been given to me. (Mattithyah [Matthew] 28:18)

The Greek word ex-oo-see'-ah translated here as “power” literally means “authority”. So he is saying that all authority in Heaven and on Earth has been given to him. It is obvious that Father Yahweh who is greater than His son (Yahchanan [John] 14:28) is the One Who has given him authority.

What is being described here is a transference of authority. It is the same type of transfer of authority that takes place when a person is given “power of attorney”. When a person is designated as “attorney in fact” for another person this means they have “power of attorney” or legal right to perform legal transactions in the other person’s name.

Yahshua is not Yahweh. Yahshua is the Messiah the SON of the living Yahweh. We know that Yahweh is Yahshua's FATHER, since it is recorded in the so-called "New Testament" Yahshua referring to Yahweh as his and our "FATHER". The name Yahshua means 'Yahweh Is Redeemer'. This name signifies Father Yahweh as our Supreme Redeemer. Father Yahweh is also Yahshua's Redeemer, since He redeemed him from death. Many do not realize this truth that is revealed to them in their own so-called "New Testament" (Hebrews 5:7). Yahshua did not redeem or raise (resurrect) himself from death, since the dead can do nothing. Yahshua is the Messiah. The Hebrew word 'mashiach' (messiah) means 'anointed one'. Yahshua did not anoint himself as King, but it was his and our FATHER Yahweh Who anointed His SON Yahshua to reign as King for 1,000 years. Yahshua proclaimed that it was his and our FATHER Yahweh Whom GAVE him ALL power (authority) in Heaven and in the Earth. Yahshua did not give himself all power (authority). Nowhere in Scripture from where we are to get our doctrine for reproof and correction are we ever asked to confess and believe "Jesus IS God!" . What Scripture does ask us to confess and believe is that Yahshua is the Messiah the SON of the living FATHER Yahweh.

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Before my first encounter with the Jehovah's Witnesses, I had come into contact with a married couple that referred to our Heavenly Father and Creator by the Name Yahweh. They showed me from a vast number of scholarly resources that Yahweh was the pronunciation that most scholars of the Hebrew language accepted as the pronunciation of His Name. They also showed me from these same resources that "Jehovah" was a hybrid name developed by Christian translators from their misunderstanding that the vowel points that were added to the four Hebrew characters that represented His Name were placed there by Masorete scribes (Jewish copyist) to signal to the reader to instead say the inferior names/titles Adonia or Elohim. It was further pointed in these resources that "Jehovah" was an erroneous transliteration. Other scholars of the Hebrew language say such things in reference to the attempted transliteration "Jehovah" that it is an impossible transliteration in relation to proper Hebrew grammar, and that it is "monstrous", "a blunder", "a mongrel name", and a "philological impossibility", just to quote a few. I had also been familiar with the name of the pagan deity "Jove" and noted the similarity with the erroneous pronunciation "Jehovah" in other language pronunciations of this hybrid word. With my first encounter with Jehovah's Witnesses knocking on my door, I had thought to put the pagan name "Jove" to the test with them. I had seen Jehovah's Witnesses before bothering people by visiting homes unannounced looking like insurance salesmen dressed in fancy suits, wearing long trench coats and carrying brief cases.

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A footnote on page 112 of The Dartmouth Bible states that "Jehovah" is now seen to have been the result of a curious misunderstanding. Jews after the fourth century B.C., considering the four-consonant name [JHVH] too sacred to be uttered except on the most solemn occasion, regularly substituted for it "Adonai," meaning "the Lord." In Hebrew texts the points indicating the vowels of "Adonai" accompany the JHVH as a reminder to make the substitution in oral reading. Early English translators, ignorant of the Hebrew practice, accepted these points as the correct vowels and thus, erroneously, wrote the word as JeHoVaH.

The dictionary/concordance at the back of the New Revised Standard Version has Tetragrammaton as the four letters YHWH, which form the sacred name of God. Whenever the words "LORD" and "GOD" appear in large and small capital letters in the OT, the original Hebrew text uses YHWH. Sometimes the tetragrammaton is rendered as "Yahweh" or "Jehovah."

The name "Jehovah" was formed by placing the vowel points for Adonai into the Tetragrammaton, YHVH. There is a common belief that the four letters forming the name of our Heavenly Father are consonants. Josephus, a Jewish priest, in his Wars of the Jews (V.5.vii), states that on a golden crown of the priests was engraven the sacred name [of God], consisting of four vowels. As in English, the letters W and Y are semi-vowels. The V in the Tetragrammaton has the sound of a W. Vowels can stand alone, whereas consonants cannot. This caused Hebrew vowel sounds to be added erroneously for pronunciation. If the Spanish vowels IAUE are substituted, an almost identical pronunciation for YHVH is achieved. Therefore YHVH becomes Yahweh, and can be pronounced.

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Within the books of the so-called "Holy Bible" there are verses that are easy to understand, clear or unconditionally explicit and others are simply allegorical, ambiguous or obscure. When a “man of extraordinary faith” reads the passages from his “favored” version, he tries to hold fast to each and every verse that expressly, remotely or even dubiously supports his personal beliefs for "Lord Jesus". He steadfastly believes that with the addition of two key ingredients - “Reliance and Hope” - any seemingly doubtful and dubious verse can ultimately emerge as an easy to understand passage. A passage that would remove all his earlier reservations and convince him to accept "Jesus Christ as his True God". However, this kind of pietistic approach with blind faith does not alter the text that was originally written by the Glad Tidings writers. Many people diligently search the Scriptures, not to find truth, but simply to gather support for their preconceived religious ideas. Their minds are not open to be taught by Yahweh's set apart spirit (the sword of the spirit, which is His word), and therefore they can manipulate Scriptural texts to mean exactly what they want to believe.

"Saint" or those who are set apart or separate means 'one who keeps Yahweh's teaching [torah, law, commandment, instruction]' (Revelation 14:12; Yahdah [Jude] 1:3; Deuteronomy 33:2,3; Ephesians 1:18; 2:9).

Marcus Jastrow, in the Hebrew Aramaic English Dictionary, Vol. 2, pg. 1319, says that a saint is one who keeps the whole law of Yahweh.

Yahweh And Jehovah Strong's concordance #1943 where hovah means ruin, disaster. Hence Jehovah is the god of ruin and disaster.

See also Strong's #5753 where ahvah means to do perversely. Hence Jahvah or Yahvah is a god that does perversely.

Last, look at Strong's #5773 ahveh, meaning distorting and perverting. Thus, Yahveh or Jahveh or Yahweh means the god who distorts and perverts.

What About The Alpha and the Omega? By J. Dean

Revelation 1: 8 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and is to come, the almighty."

In Revelation 1: 8 God (he who sits on the throne) calls himself "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending... the Almighty. Then in Revelation 1: 11, Messiah calls himself "Alpha and Omega," the beginning and the end. Was he identifying himself as "he who sits on the throne?"

Revelation 1: 11 "Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last, and, what you see write in a book, and send it to the seven congregations which are in Asia; to Ephesus, and to Smyrna, and to Pergamos, and to Thyatira, and to Sardis, and to Philadelphea, and to Laodicea."

That it is Messiah here talking in Rev. 1: 11 there can be no doubt for in verse 17 he repeats, "I am the first and the last," and then in verse 18 he says "I am he that lives, and was dead:" So, we know of a certainty that Messiah called himself Alpha and Omega, and the first and the last, but he did not call himself "the beginning and the end" here. However in Revelation 3: 14 Messiah calls himself the "beginning of the creation of God," then in Revelation 22: 13 he calls himself the "beginning and the end."

The people that say Messiah is God put forth the notion that when Messiah called himself "Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end," he was calling himself God, since God called himself by the same titles in Revelation 1: 8. You have to love their persistence, but I'm about to show you how this cannot be true, because Revelation clearly distinguishes between "he who sits on the throne" and "the Lamb of God." First, lets discuss how God and Messiah could both be called by these same titles, and how, just because they both have the same title, it doesn't mean they are the same person.

To understand what Alpha and Omega and first and last mean, we need only understand that God is doing a work in the earth. He started it on day one of creation, and He's going to finish it. Of course God is the Alpha and Omega of his work, the beginning and the ending, but what about Messiah? How is he the beginning and the ending of God's work on the earth? Well, if you have to ask that you haven't been paying attention, and you have never read your Bible! Messiah IS God's work on the earth, and the culmination of His plan from the very beginning to the very ending! Messiah said it when he said in Revelation 3: 14, "the beginning of the creation of God."

How can God be a part of the "creation?" God and Messiah are both "Alpha and Omega," and "beginning and the ending."

We know that God was talking in Revelation 1: 8 when he said "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending," then he says "he which was, and is, and is to come the Almighty." Also, in Revelation 1: 4 John says "grace be to you and peace from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before HIS THRONE." Thus, John starts out by talking about God almighty, continuing all the way down to verse 11. If any one wants to dispute this, just go get a King James Red Letter Edition. The words of Messiah are all in red, and you will see that verse 1: 8 is not in red. Thus, even the ancient scholars agree it's God talking in verse 1: 8 and not Messiah.

Didn't Messiah call himself God in Revelation 1: 11?

The answer to the question is clear and a resounding, NO! In Revelation 1:8 God gives four titles for himself:

* "Alpha and Omega,"

* "The beginning and the ending,"

* "He which is, and was, and is to come,"

* "The Almighty."

Then, in other places in Revelation, Messiah uses two of those same titles for Himself, "Alpha and Omega," and "the beginning and the ending." So, because Messiah uses two of the titles from verse 1: 8, everyone wants to assume that the other titles apply, too, including "the Almighty."

That's the strangest logic I've ever heard of. Here's how this flawed logic works:

Fred is a boyscout, a lecturer, a band leader and a football star. Bill is a boyscout, and a lecturer. Bill is Fred's son. Bill must also be a band leader, and a football star!

Just because God and Messiah are both Alpha and Omega and Beginning and Ending, does't mean they are both "the Almighty!" In Revelation Messiah never sits on the throne in Heaven! Revelation chapter 4 describes the throne, and it never mentions Messiah in there.

Then in Revelation 5 it says:

Revelation 5: 1 "And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals."

The one that opens the book according to verse 5 is "the Lamb of God, the Lion of the Tribe of Judah."

Revelation 5: 5 "And one of the elders said to me, Weep not: behold the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, has prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof:"

The Lion, my friends, is Messiah! So, is Messiah sitting on the throne? He's already got the book in his hand then, and should open it any minute, right? WRONG!

Revelation 5: 7 "And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne."

This is the most stark proof that Messiah is not God, otherwise, God is taking the book from himself!

One more thing must be said about the titles "Alpha and Omega, and beginning and ending." These are titles of authority over the Earth. Messiah has been given rulership over the earth even as we speak! When a King hands over his authority on a matter to another, that person becomes the King's authority. Wherever the person who has been given the authority acts in this authority, he acts in the King's stead, and is treated as if the King himself were standing there! Right now, Messiah has been given God's authority over the Earth!

1 Corinthians 15: 24- 27 "24 Then comes the end, when he (Messiah) shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he must reign, until he has put all enemies under his feet.

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

27 For he has put all things under his feet. But when he says all things are put under him it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him."

The word, excepted, used here is the greek word "ektos" which means "aside from," or "besides," or "other than," or "someone else." It's saying here clearly and with out mistake that God is "excepted" or is "someone other than" Messiah. They aren't the same.

1 Corinthians 15: 28 "28 And when all things shall be subdued to him, then shall the Son also himself be subject to him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all."

In light of all the overwhelming evidence, how does anyone say that God and Messiah are the same person? Messiah is right now reigning in God's stead on the Earth, but there comes a day when he delivers the kingdom back up to God, and he himself will be a "subject" of the Lord of Heaven, God Almighty. How can any of this happen if they are the same person?

Even if the titles of "Alpha and Omega," and "the beginning and the ending" are titles reserved exclusively for God Almighty (which they aren't) but if they were, we've already learned that Messiah was "the oracle of the Father, God." Messiah made it clear that whenever he spoke, it wasn't his words, but God the Father's. Therefore, even if Messiah had stood up in a crowded room and said "I am the Lord God Almighty hear my voice this day and obey," Messiah still wouldn't have been claiming to be God! Messiah speaking words that only God should speak doesn't prove he's God, it only proves that he was right when he said, "the words I speak are not my own, but the Father's who sent me."

This isn't that hard to understand! A child can see the simple truth here being proposed. It takes a truly "learned expert" to muddy up the waters and turn such a simple truth into something so complicated that "no one" can understand it anymore, then stand back and declare, "of course you don't understand, it's a .... myyyysssterrrry! God doesn't want us to understand everything!"

Did God Become A Mortal?

I don't claim to be perfect. I only see the potential for human perfection. I have captured a vision of sorts, and I long for the realization of that dream. To see mankind so filled with love and adoration for God, and for each other, that they would never even consider doing anything that would jeopardize their relationship with Him, or that would do "harm" to another human being!

Yet, I can only envision this because of a man whom I call Yahshua! This man, Yahshua, is the First Begotten Son of God, and he lived and died to show me that it is possible for a man to live just this way!

If this man was actually the Almighty, Living, One True God, come down to earth in a fleshly body to "mingle" with his lessor creatures, then that vision is shattered forever. Shattered because his perfection was natural for him. Shattered because his perfection brings no promise to mankind, no hope of repeating it, no hope of following him into his expression of pure love, for he is God, perfect in love, perfect in holiness, and we are not!

Without the vision, and the hope of following in his example, mankind has not truly been "changed" by having beheld him in all his glorious splendor! We have no hope of perfection, and the best we can hope for is to "escape" the hell that is waiting for all who sin against God!

The best hope we have is of "rescue" from ourselves. The perfection, therefore, remains uniquely his own, and beyond our puny grasp, as long as we live!

What's more, if this man was not really a man, but God, clothed in the flesh of a man, it means there is no real oneness at all for us, seeing that the oneness he possessed with the Father existed naturally for him, since they were the same person, and we mortal frail, decaying humans can never have the expectation of experiencing the same connection with the Father as he possessed. It means his promises to us of "being one with him as he is one with the Father," (John 17: 21)were an elusive carrot, dangled before our noses, but forever withdrawn should we reach for it. How can we, who are born separate from God, ever hope to connect with the Father in the same "oneness" as Messiah was connected, seeing that the very Spirit of God was Messiah's personal identity. We could never identify with the Father in the way he did, if he was indeed, the Father. Yet he promises us that we will be one with the Father as he is one with the Father?

The reality of our communion with God falls far short of the promises made of being "one" with the Father," and either Messiah was mistaken, making false promises, has been seriously misquoted or otherwise misunderstood, and or mistranslated when he said "you shall be one with the Father as I am one with the Father!"

The vision of some day walking in the love of God, pure and Holy, dissipates like a morning mist, for Messiah is God, and God is love. We could never, therefore, love as Messiah loved, for he is love. He is God, and we are not! Unless we someday become "God in the flesh!"

Let's be fair, though, perhaps this is just a misunderstanding of terminology, a matter of semantics! Perhaps those who seek to convince us Messiah is God, also acknowledge that, he was also a man, and that while on the earth, in the flesh, he cast aside his deity and walked truly as a man. I seem to recall some making this argument, and these are the scriptures they used:

Philippians 2: 5-8 "5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Messiah Yahshua

6 Who, being in the form of Yahweh (God), thought it not robbery to be equal with God;

7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men;And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross."

Those who maintain Messiah was once God, and became a man, use these verses heavily. They interpret it to mean that "even though Messiah was God, and equal with God, he found himself made into the likeness of a man, and thus humbled himself, casting aside his deity, and became a servant."

If this is true, and God became a man, then why would those who interpret these verses this way become angry if I say "he was a man?" Messiah said "I'm just a man, I'm not God anymore, I'm a servant, I humble myself, and I will submit myself to the death of a mortal being!" If Messiah said this, why would anyone object to me repeating it? If their interpretation be true, and God became a man, and left behind his Godhood, and denied it, then why get angry when I deny it? I'm only following in Messiah's example. If Messiah said that he and the Father were two separate persons, why would anyone get mad at us for saying so? Some might say, they were two separate persons, but they were also "one." Yes, and I've showed you a scripture that says that those who believe on Messiah are also one with the Father, does that mean they too are "God come down to earth in fleshly form?"

If Messiah was once God, but became a man, then everything I've said so far still holds true and Messiah was not God, but a man! Furthermore, why would anyone insist on presenting Messiah to the world as "God," when Messiah himself refused to acknowledge it and presented himself as a man? If Messiah, the so called man/God thought downplaying or ignoring his deity was vital enough to his ministry, enough so that he refused to acknowledge his Godhood at all while he was alive, why do his "followers" not follow in his example, and be equally diligent in casting aside his deity?

Indeed, his earlier followers, the Apostles, evidently must have decided it was important to not focus on the supposed former Godly nature and identity of the Messiah, for that they continued to refer to him as a separate person as God! Look at Philippians 2:9!

Philippians 2:9 "Wherefore God also has highly exalted him, and given him a name above every name."

If the Apostle who wrote this believed that Messiah was God, before he came a man, he is ignoring his Godly nature in verse 9, for, if Messiah was God, he already had a name above every other name, Yahweh! (God). Furthermore, the writer of this verse was speaking as if God and Messiah were two different people by saying "God also has highly exalted him."

We, therefore, have an example that even if Messiah were God before he became a man (which I do not believe the scriptures teach), yet even if he WERE, it is irrelevant enough that the Apostles continued to follow in Messiah's example, focusing on the man, Yahshua, instead of his Godhood, and continuing to speak of him as a man and not God!

When did the followers of Messiah decide to depart from this example of down playing "Messiah the God," and continuing to focus on "Messiah the man?" Are we not to strive to follow in his footsteps? If Messiah were once God but became a man, and refused to acknowledge being God, but said continually, "I am the Son of man," insisting on being a thought of as a mere man while he was on this earth, and speaking of God as if he were someone else, there surely would have been a reason! The prudent thing for his followers to do would be to always be responsible to make the distinction between Messiah and God, the same distinction the Messiah himself continually made?

The Apostles seemed to think that Messiah's refusal to acknowledge his (supposed) former Godhood was irrelevant. Irrelevant to enough that they carried on Messiah's tradition of presenting Messiah to the world as a man raised from the dead. Are we that much wiser than the Apostles, that we can somehow determine that Messiah's refusal to acknowledge he was once (supposedly) God was nothing more than sheer humility? If it was merely humility that led him to do this, one has to wonder, couldn't he have acknowledged, "well, I once was God, but now I'm a man," and retained his humility? Shouldn't we preserve and honor Messiah's wish of being thought of as a man?

It's obvious, therefore, that if Messiah were God, (which he was not, I'm just humoring those who teach it, to drive home a point) Messiah would have known that he was actually God (for God is all knowing), then he would have had to have decided, at some point, that it was vital to his message to cast aside his deity, and truly become "just a man," and not just "pretend to be a man?" According to the above quoted scriptures, not only did Messiah "become" a man, he became "a manservant" according to Philippians! Who are we, therefore, to undo that decision he surely would have had to make, if he was God? Who are we to now present him to the world as God, seeing that he himself sought so hard to not only present himself to the world as a mortal man, but to be a man, and thus, die on the cross as a man? Aren't we undoing his efforts to be thought of as a man? Also, if we say he did not become a man, truly, than we are saying he never really "died" as a man, and if so, we have no sacrifice for our sins, the whole thing was a "show," and we are yet in our sins.

We undo his entire ministry by saying he was not a man, since his mission depending upon him being a man, "even unto death." If he was "still" God, while he walked the earth, he never clearly said so, and if he was "no longer God, but a man," while he walked the earth, (and this certainly would have to be true if he died for us as a man), then who are we to countermand him, and do what he himself obviously refused to do, which is think of him, and teach him as God? If God shed his deity to became a man, then "by God," he was a man! How dare anyone object if I call him a man? He called himself a man! What arrogance is displayed by anyone who contradicts him when he says, "I am a man and I do not my own works, but the works God has shown me and commanded me to do!"

Questioning God's Ability To Become A Man

If an Almighty God decides to "become a man," as we are told Philippians teaches, how dare anyone say he "failed" in the attempt, and remained God?" They are highly presumptuous, therefore, to say he was really God! An almighty God who sets out to become a mortal man is going to succeed, he's going to be mortal! Why do they insist on insulting Him by saying, "yes, well, but he wasn't really a man, he was God?"

If God says, "I became a man," who are you to contradict him?

Are they afraid that to speak of him only as a man would somehow be "dishonest?" If that's so, then they are calling both Messiah and God dishonest, because Messiah referred to himself as a man continually, and referred to God as if he were someone else entirely, and God spoke out of Heaven and testified of Messiah as a separate person, as not God, but "the Son of God." Finally, dear brethren, and herein lies the danger, if we say Messiah was actually the Father, we are saying he wasn't "really" the Son of God, but was God Himself.

1 John 2:23 "Whosoever denies the Son, the same does not have the Father:"

1 John 4: 15 "Whosoever shall confess that Yahshua is the Son of God, God dwells in him, and he in God."

1 John 5: 5 "Who is he that overcomes the world, but he that believes the Yahshua is the Son of God?"

Notice these scriptures do not say "confess" or "believe" that Jesus is God!

No matter how you slice it, even if Messiah were, at one time God Himself, before he became flesh, (which I do not say) he did not lay claim to it, but instead said, "I am a man, I am a servant!" Who are we to say he was not a man? Are we calling Him a liar? Are we questioning God's ability to become mortal? Even if they were armed with the rock solid evidence that Messiah was God who became a man, (which they are not) and could prove this without a doubt, (which they can't), even still, Messiah's Godhood, prior to his mortality would be completely irrelevant!

If a man, who was once God, decided to leave aside his deity and become a mortal man, his former status of God is irrelevant, because now he is a man. Messiah is depicted as a "has been God," by choice, the most he can be is a "has been" and not an "I Am." According to those who interpret Philippians this way!

When they worship "Jesus" as God, the name of the God they worship is not "I Am" but "I was." So, they say he "was" God, but we have a problem,the name of the Almighty God is "I Am that I Am," not "I Am that I Was," and certainly not, "I Was that I Was," and definitely not "I Was that I Am." Even those who say that he was once God, at one time, teach that he gave that up and became a man!

He called himself "the son of man," continually, so why they get angry at me for doing the same? Why do they call me an heretic? If I'm an heretic for referring to Messiah as a man, then the Apostles were all heretics, Messiah was an heretic, and yes even the great I Am is an heretic by their dogmas and doctrines!

Philippians 2: 5-9 never says that Messiah was once God, but came down and fashioned himself as a man. It said he was "in fashion" as a man! Someone, therefore, fashioned him! He was a created being! Someone created him, or fashioned him a man! That would be the creator! I repeat, it doesn't say "he fashioned himself as a man."

When it says he was "in the form of God," it's not saying he was God, it's saying he was in "the image of God!" We shall some day be remade into the image of God too, because we will be in the "image of Messiah," does that make us God come down to earth? I don't think so! It also says that, even though he was in the very image of God, and though he was equal with God, being God's son, he humbled himself and became a servant instead!

Was Messiah "born" the Son of God! Not according to the scriptures he wasn't!

Hebrews 5: 5 "So Messiah glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but He that said to him, You are my Son, to day have I begotten you."

When was this said to Messiah?

Matthew 3: 16-17 "16 And Yahshua, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and lo, the heavens were opened to him, and he was the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

17 And lo a voice from heaven saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."

Notice here that the Spirit of God descends on Messiah. If he was the Spirit of God, he already possessed the fullness of his own Spirit, and this demonstration was merely a "show," and not real at all! If Messiah was actually God, then God is evidently quite a showman, and he appears to go out of his way to convince us of things that are completely untrue! Namely, that God's Spirit descended from Heaven and landed on Messiah, for, if he was already God, he already possessed God's Spirit in completeness, and did not need any of the Spirit of God to descend upon him! Also, the voice from Heaven was quite a "special effect," too, seeing that God was standing there, right in front of them, being baptized in water!

We know the exact moment Messiah became the "Son of God," and it wasn't until he was around thirty years old and was baptized by John the baptist in the river Jordan!

Yahweh bless and keep you, IN HIS LOVE.

Shalom

J. Dean



"Is Yahshua "The Light?" By J. Dean

Is Yahshua Messiah the "Light" of which was spoken in the Gospel of John, or is this created "light" a reference to God's plan to save man through a Messiah, or did he "pre-exist" as GOD from the VERY BEGINNING in Genesis? If Yahshua is NOT the "Light" than WHAT IS?

Yahweh DOES NOT RECON TIME THE SAME WAY WE DO! Our days are measured by "the evening and the morning" which are dependent upon the rotation of the earth, or more specifically marked by the rising and setting of the sun. HOWEVER, if you read Genesis 1: 14 -19 you see that the sun, the moon, and the stars were NOT CREATED UNTIL THE FOURTH DAY.

GENESIS 1: 14-19

"14 And Yahweh said, let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

16 And Yahweh made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

17 And Yahweh set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth.

18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and Yahweh saw that good.

19 and the evening and the morning were the fourth day."

If the sun and moon weren't created until the fourth day, how were "the evening and the morning" measured on the FIRST THREE DAYS. The answer is obvious. They were measured by some other means! Yahweh measures days and evenings using some other calculator, and, if we are to believe the letter of Peter, "a day is with Yahweh as a thousand years!" Yet, as we see, Yahweh FIRST names the DAY and NIGHT in verse 5 of Genesis 1:

GENESIS 1: 5

"And Yahweh called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the FIRST DAY."

So what light is Yahweh calling "day?"

GENESIS 1: 3-4

"3 And Yahweh said, Let there be light: and there was light.

4 And Yahweh saw the light that was good and Yahweh divided the light from the darkness."

This Light that was created first was the light by which the evening and the morning were being measured, but what IS this light? If we are to believe the Gospel of John, this LIGHT is the RIGHTEOUSNESS we receive of YAHWEH through comprehension of the TRUTH! THE LIGHT of SPIRITUAL REVELATION!

John 1: 1-10

"1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with Yahweh, and the Word is Yahweh.

2 The same was in the beginning with Yahweh.

3 All things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made,

4 In him was life; and the life was the LIGHT OF MEN.

5 And the LIGHT SHINED in darkness; and the darkness abode it not.

6 There was a man sent from Yahweh, whose name is John.

7 The same came a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all through him might believe.

8 He was not that Light, but came to bear witness of the Light.

9 The true Light, which lights every man that comes into the world."

That the LIGHT is the CLEAR LIGHT OF TRUTH which shines on all men, however NOT ALL MEN ABIDE THAT TRUTH!

Some have tried to make MUCH MORE OF THESE VERSES than ought to be made, saying that Yahshua IS that light and that he existed in the beginning, and is IN FACT YAHWEH! NOTHING IN THESE VERSES REMOTELY SUGGESTS THAT on their own. NOT UNTIL THE THOUGHT is PUT THERE or SUGGESTED by someone do you read these verses that way!

The way some have TRANSLATED Verses 1 through 9, it SEEMS to say that YAHSHUA is IN FACT the WORD that was WITH GOD in the BEGINNING AND WAS GOD, especially when it says in verse 3 that "all things were made by him;"

Many think it's saying that the Word is a PERSON, and all things were made by HIM," they cross reference this with "Yahweh SAID," let there be light! PEOPLE, there IS NO EVIDENCE that verse 3 is saying THE WORD was HIM that created the world! NONE! This is a TEACHING MADE OF STRAW! Verse 3 can JUST AS EASILY be taken to mean that "all things were made by Yahweh!" FURTHERMORE, WITHOUT MORE SCRIPTURAL EVIDENCE to back them up they are WAY OFF IN LEFT FIELD thinking that THE WORD IS NOW BEING DESCRIBED AS A SEPARATE PERSON! The ONLY phrase they have to cling to is in verse 1 when it says "the Word was WITH God." Yet, this does NOT necessarily MEAN that Yahweh and the Word are the SEPARATE YET THE SAME PERSON!

It doesn't HAVE to mean that the WORD is a PERSON at all! It could JUST AS EASILY mean that before creation the ONLY one who spoke a WORD is Yahweh, in fact at the beginning there was only ONE WORD, the word of YAHWEH! So as it was in the beginning so is it today, there is ONLY ONE WORD OF TRUTH, Yahweh's WORD!

Much of the MISTRANSLATION of the FIRST CHAPTER of JOHN'S GOSPEL can be attributed SIMPLY to the WAY THEY WERE BROKEN UP IN VERSES by the translators! For example, look at verses 2 and 3! When you put them together, unbroken you see that John is here talking about YAHWEH as the CREATOR, and not TALKING ABOUT THE WORD as a CREATOR!

"The same (the word) was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; (GOD) and without him (GOD) was not any thing made that was made."

For this reason, whenever you see a ONE LINE VERSE in the BIBLE, you should be suspicious as to why they chose to take ONE SENTENCE, or ONE PHRASE, and set it apart from the others in a separate verse! This is one of the secrets to catching the "BIAS" that is STRUNG througout modern translations! Let's look at another example!

John 1: 10- 14

"10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not,

11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he the power to become the sons of Yahweh, to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man but of Yahweh.

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelled among us, ( and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

Let's take these verses one at a time.

* VERSE 10: It says that "he was in the world," however if you read again verses 1 through 9 there are two HE'S mentioned. There's HE that is Yahweh, there's HE that was John. THAT'S IT! So in verse 10 it says "HE" meaning "YAHWEH" was in the world and the world "KNEW HIM NOT." Yahweh had been in this world from the DAYS OF THE GARDEN! He walked with ADAM and EVE there, and he SPOKE WITH ABRAHAM, ISAAC, and JACOB, and with MOSES, and with DAVID and SOLOMON, and with the PROPHETS, and had been IN THE WORLD all along but the WORLD KNEW HIM NOT, only a select chosen few!

Keep in mind that John is here starting at the beginning, he's speaking of times before Yahshua was born. He hasn't told of the birth of Messiah yet in the story! This is critical to understanding the first chapter! When John speaks of "he," John is speaking of Yahweh only!

Yahshua isn't even in the picture yet! The only way you can insert the person of Yahshua into the story so far, is if you already have a preconceived notion of the trinity, and that Yahshua existed with God and as God from the beginning. You must already believe this, before you read the chapter, in order to make the first part of the chapter to be talking about Messiah! As we can see, the translators didn't have to change a word of the text to "taint" it with their doctrines.

Simply by breaking them up into verse in the right way is all that is needed.

If you put aside those preconceived notions and read the chapter without them you begin to see that the one mentioned here is Yahweh alone, He who created the world. By himself! Speaking the only word of truth, and creating the world!

o VERSE 11: The "HE" in this verse is also talking about Yahweh. He came unto his own people, over and over again, as recorded in the Tanakh.

o VERSE 12: Again the "him" at the beginning of this verse is Yahweh. Where it says "as many as received him," it's saying "as many as received Yahweh," to them gave he "power to become the sons of God." This sets the stage for the writer to begin talking about Messiah, it's a "lead in." Verse 12 is saying that to as many as received Yahweh were given a gift, the Holy Spirit, who would make them sons of God! Verse 12 is still talking about Yahweh (God) when it says "he and him." In the tail end of verse 12 it says "even to them that believe on his name." Who's name? Yahweh's name.

It is unfortunate where the translators chose to break and start a new verse here, for, with verse 12 ending where it does, one might think that it is referring to the power, which is the Holy Spirit, when it says "which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh." Yet, it is not talking about the power, when it says "which came" nor is it talking about Yahshua there either, as we will soon see.

Just ask yourself, how can you say of a man who was born in flesh and blood body, "who was born, not of blood?" The flesh and blood man must then be "born of Spirit." Messiah had some sort of blood, unless he just appeared on earth magically. If he was born in a flesh and blood body, he was born "of blood."

If you realize that the original text was NOT WRITTEN in verses, you understand that, even though verse 12 begins talking about YAHWEH, it ENDS talking about "them that believe on Yahweh's name!" US! In other words WE are "them that were born not of the will of man, but of Yahweh," when we believe upon his name! "No man comes to the Father lest the Father draw him," and "flesh and blood cannot reveal the SON to man, only the Father in heaven." So, therefore, when we believe upon HIS NAME, we are "born of the Father." * VERSE 13: "Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of Yahweh."

The word "were" is used and not "was!" It's talking about more than one person being born "not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh!" Some who interpret this to be a reference to the power which comes by Yahshua are wrong, Read verses 12 and 13, eliminate the break in verses added by the translators, and put the verses together and you begin to understand what it really said!

LET'S RE-READ VERSES 12 and 13, and put them together to understand what I'm getting at here!

"But as many as received him (Yahweh) to them gave he power to become the sons of Yahweh, (the power which comes by Yahshua) even to them that believe on his name, which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God (Believers)."

Verses 12 and 13 DEFINITELY take on NEW MEANING when read together. It says simply that as many as receive Yahweh are given the power to become the sons of God, AND when they believe on Yahweh, they are "born of Yahweh."

VERSE 14: This verse simply says that the Word became FLESH and dwelt among us! If you understand what the FIRST PART of the chapter says, you now understand that the WORD is NOT a PERSON! The Word is the TRUTH, and since Yahshua YIELDED HIMSELF to the Word of Truth, he became a LIVING EXAMPLE of that truth, so that it can be said "THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"

So you see, there's no HIDDEN MYSTERY ABOUT THE DUALITY or the TRIALITY OF GOD buried in this chapter. YOU HAVE TO MAKE IT SO! There are NO OTHER VERSES in scripture that back up an interpretation of THE WORD as a person, or that makes Yahshua the SAME person as Yahweh. Such a belief in a TRIUNE GOD are based PURELY UPON preconceived NOTIONS (and not upon the scriptures). Those preconceived ideas, when INSERTED INTO SCRIPTURE, TAINT THE interpretation of the chapter. AS I have shown, the CHAPTER DOES NOT HAVE to be interpreted that way, and in fact, logically CANNOT BE TAKEN THAT WAY, without discarding the ENTIRE scriptural record, which testifies that there is but ONE GOD and no other!

The Light created in verse 5 of Genesis, THE WORD OF TRUTH, is the SPIRITUAL LIGHT BY WHICH YAHWEH measures the evening and the morning, and NOT the physical Light of EVENING AND MORNING! That Spiritual Light being "The Plan of Salvation," as established in the "Mind of Yahweh" at the foundation (beginning) of creation. This has VERY FAR REACHING implications! If you make YAHSHUA the LIGHT, and try to say that HE IS ONE AND THE SAME AS YAHWEH, you find yourself in a TOTAL QUANDARY because the LIGHT in the beginning WAS CREATED when Yahweh said "LET THERE BE LIGHT!" Thus, if YAHSHUA HIMSELF IS THE LIGHT, as they contest, they then destroy their own beliefs by making him a PART OF THE CREATION instead of THE CREATOR! They are just SIMPLY ALL MIXED UP ABOUT THIS, there can be no doubt!

Shalom J. Dean

Shalom for now

J. Dean



"Is Yahshua "The Light?" (Part 2) By J. Dean

Recently I received a letter from a visitor to the site who wanted to debate with me the issue of Messiah as "God in the Flesh." My response to her was so pertinent, I decided to include it here as a separate article.

Bear with me for a few moments. Before I get to my response, I have a simple question to ask, and I will tell you why I asked it at the end of this letter.

Read this sentence and tell me how many F's you see in the sentence.

FINISHED FILES ARE THE RESULT OF YEARS OF SCIENTIFIC STUDY COMBINED WITH THE EXPERIENCE OF YEARS.

At the end of the article we will discuss this sentence further and I will use it to drive a point home. For now, write down the number of F's you see in the sentence.

The interpretation offered by some to try and convince us that "Jesus is God in the flesh," is well known to me. I was raised Southern Baptist, and was a vocal public professor of the "Trinity" and the Oneness of God and Christ (as the same person). I was so much so, that I joined the "Pentecostal" movement in 1977. I then attended Oneness churches. (Who indeed teach the Trinity is wrong, but they teach it's wrong because there aren't "three persons" of God, only one, and that person is Jesus!)

I spent almost 30 years teaching and attempting to refute the doctrines of those who deny the Deity of Christ. I've heard and read ALL the arguments.

I do not fault people for believing this concept. It is ingrained into the mind of most Christians from birth. It is like an "optical" illusion, in which, a suggestion is made to you as to what the picture is, and you can no longer look at the picture any other way (even though you might have seen something else entirely when you first looked).

The Gospel of John, first Chapter has been translated with this sort of "suggestion" in mind, and indeed, Christian teachers take great pains to dissect this chapter on a FREQUENT basis, going line by line verse by verse, to ensure that their followers get the right "picture." I ask you now to do two simple things.

First off, is to shed your mind of the picture that has been painted by religion, and read the verses again, scrutinizing them, asking yourself "did it really mean that?" "Did it really say that?" My road to the truth began on one simple word from the text. The "light."

If you read verse 7 it says that John the Baptist came to bear witness of that "light."

A clear reference to Messiah!

Not necessarily!

Why do I say that?

It is clever the way religion has distorted the text. I tell you now, beware of how the verses are broken up. You can change any sentence's meaning, simply by chopping half of it off and making a new sentence out of it.

I'll try to give you an example.

"Bill Smith could take his father only on a frequent basis because of his drinking. Today was one of those days when the drinking had started early. He sat down with his scotch in hand and got uglier with every drink."

Who has the drinking problem in this small paragraph? Bill or his father, or both? When you read the second sentence, the logical thing to conclude is that it is Bill's Father who has the drinking problem, and when he drinks Bill can't deal with his father.

Now what happens when I break the paragraph up?

Bill Smith could take his father only on a frequent basis because of his drinking.

Today was one of those days when the drinking had started early.

He sat down with his scotch in hand and got uglier with every drink."

Now it's anyone's guess who is doing the drinking in this story!

Let's see what translators did to the verses in the Gospel of John (by cleverly breaking them in verses in just the right way to make it more mirror their beliefs).

"1 John 1: 6-9 6There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That was the true Light, which lights every man that comes into the world."

Several key words and phrases were actually ADDED to this text in order for it to make sense broken up the way it was in verse. Those words are "was," "that was" "men" and "That." We know they were added by translators because King James was honest enough to make the translators place their additions in italics! Let's read these verses without the added words and phrases.

"1 John 1: 6-9 6 There was a man sent from God, whose name, John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but to bear witness of that Light. 9 Was the true Light, which lights every man that comes into the world."

We see that it's much harder to make sense of these three sentences without the added words and phrases. Yet, consider if you will the awesome power of Yahweh to preserve his word, despite all tampering! Of course it's hard to understand the passages without the added words, because they have broken sentences completely in half and made NEW sentences. Keep in mind, the punctuation marks of periods and comma's did not exist in the original texts! So let's read these passages without the verse breaks (added by the translators) and without the punctuation (also added by the translators), and without the added words that did not come from Yahweh but came from men.

"1 John 1: 6-9 There was a man sent from God whose name John the same came for a witness to bear witness of the Light that all through him might believe he was not that Light but to bear witness of that Light was the true Light which lights every man that comes into the world."

There's one more trick that translators used to make a text say anything. The word OF. It was not in any of the original passages, not in Greek and not in Aramaic for that matter. Of, is strictly an ENGLISH convection, mostly. Few languages have a word like that.

So, could the "ofs" also added by translators affect the meaning? Of course they can. Let's get rid of them for a moment.

"1 John 1: 6-9 There was a man sent from God whose name John the same came for a witness to bear witness the Light that all through him might believe he was not that Light but to bear witness that Light was the true Light which lights every man that comes into the world."

It makes even less sense doesn't it?

It's totally ambiguous in several places. The first ambiguity is "that all through him." All through whom? Is it "so that all through him (john) might believe," or is it "so that all through him (the light) might believe?"

The subject of the sentence is not John, it is "the light" and that John came to bear witness of it. Therefore, the first ambiguity is cleared up by context. So, context demands that the first sentence be read in this way.

There was a man sent from God named John, the same (John) came for a witness to bear witness (of) the Light that all through him (through John's testimony of the light) might believe.

The second ambiguity existed when you take away the first period.

"all through him might believe he was not that Light. "

This sounds like John bore witness so that all through his testimony would NOT believe something. That is illogical. You don't bear witness to get someone to "NOT" believe something. Therefore, the translators were correct in beginning a new sentence at He.

He was not that Light but to bear witness that Light was the true Light which lights every man that comes into the world."

Here's where I and the translators part company however. For they also ended a sentence, added the word That, and started a new sentence. There is no logical explanation for what they did, for the second sentence makes perfect sense without breaking it up. The only conclusion we can draw was they deliberately broke this perfect sentence up into two separate version to give the "illusion" of the text backing up their doctrine. The original texts did not say "He was not that light but was sent to bear witness of that light." It also did not say "That Light was the true light."

It says simply that He was not that Light, but to bear witness, that Light was the true light which lights every man that comes into the world."

Now the translators say that the "He" in that statement is "John." In other words, "He, (John) was not that Light, but came to bear witness that Light was the true light."

It very easily could have been speaking of Messiah here though,

"He (Messiah) was not that Light, but came to bear witness that Light was the true light."

Yet, I believe that context demands that it was speaking still of John and his testimony. Which means I agree that "He (John) was not that light." Where I and the translators part is their adding the word "of" there in the sentence to make it sound like the person of whom John bore witness was Himself "the Light!" Without the added phrase "was sent" and the added words "of" and the breaking of the sentence into two verses with the addition of "That," the verse does not say what they contend it to mean! Not even close!

The Light of which John bore witness became the light, in order to bear witness of the truth! It does not say "was sent" to bear witness, it says John bore witness, and the light itself bore witness! (Two Witnesses).

John did not come to bear witness that Messiah Himself was that light (in person), but to bear witness of the True Light that came through Messiah's ministry!

A better translation of this text is as follows:

He (john) was not that Light. But to bear witness, that Light (became) the true Light which lights every man that comes into the world."

Here is where you should become convinced that these verses in no way say that Messiah was the "Person" of God come in the flesh! Verse 9 says the Light of which he speaks is "the true light that shines on all men." In other words, this Light existed from the very beginning of man! There is only one way for a Light to shine on "all" men, (all men who ever existed or will exist), and that is for the light to precede man! Yet, we know that Messiah was born of man, some 6000 years after Genesis. Messiah Himself, the person, did not "shine on all men." If he had, all men would have beheld his glory and been converted and saved! The Light spoken of here is not Messiah, for Messiah himself made it clear that he himself was sent to "bear witness of the Light," and that he became "a light" shining in a dark place!

First, we must understand that he who "comes to the light," according to Messiah, becomes the light.

John 12: 36 35: Then Yahoshua said to them, yet a little while is the light with you. Walk while you have the light, lest darkness come upon you; for he that walks in darkness does not know where he is going. 36 While you have light, believe in the light, that you may be the children of light."

This is one of the most important messages of the Gospel, that those who receive the light and walk in the light, become "the light" themselves, shining into a world of darkness! Which is why Messiah warned us not to "hide your light under a bushel." We become the light of the world, in the same way Messiah was "the light of the world."

Matthew 5: 14 14 You are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hidden. 15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a Menorah: and it gives light to all that are in the house."

John's LIGHT was the same as Messiah's Light, else how would anyone believe John?

John 5: 31-37 31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true. 32 There is another that bears witness of me; and I know that the witness which he witnesses of me is true. 33 You suent unto John, and he bore witness to the truth. 34 But I receive not testimony from man; but these things I say, that you might be saved. 35 He was a burning and shining light; and you were willing for a season to rejoice in his light. 36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father has given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father has sent me. 37 And the Father himself, which has sent me, has borne witness of me. You have neither heard his voice at any time nor seen his face."

There we have it all in these several passages out of John! John became the LIGHT to those who believed him. Also demonstrated in here was the Two Witnesses. Finally, Messiah points out, yet again, that they had "not seen the father!" Yet Christianity wants us to believe that this is not true, that Messiah was God in the flesh, and everyone that was looking at Him, was looking at God Himself! We can clearly see from reading the Bible ourselves that this is simply not the case.

Messiah called John the Baptist, the light, yet, John the Apostle begins his Gospel by saying that John the Baptist was not the Light! Of course he wasn't literally the Light, (in person) he bore witness of the Light, and thus became the Light! The same can be said of all who preach truth. Yet, Messiah also showed us the Light, and John bore witness that the Light of Messiah was his light! Logic dictates that if it can be said of John "he was not that light," even though John showed us the Messiah and thus became the Light to us, it can be said of Messiah "he was not that light," not in person even though Messiah showed us the Father!

Christianity's Teaching That Messiah Is "THE" Light Creates Contradictions!

The logical question one must ask is this, if Messiah was the Light from the very beginning, why would he "become" the light?

John 1: 6-9 is clearly a reference to "the Light" that was created at the Beginning in Genesis when God said "let there be light," and He saw that the light was good. Yet, if Messiah was the word, and the word was the light, and the light and the word were God himself, how could the light be "created?" Seeing that it was always with God from the very beginning, God would not have to say "let there be light," for it's the same as him saying "let there be God."

Don't you see that?

The Light was created! How can the Light be the creator?

The creature that is created cannot create itself! Furthermore, if God is the Word, and the Word is the Light, then then God created himself in Genesis! Now we have God as a created being too, he becomes both "created" and "creator." Thus, we see the Gnostic influences upon the teachings of the Bible, for, it is the Gnostics who introduced the notion of different "levels" to God, and that the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is a "created being."

Clearly, when Christians admit that Messiah is "the Light that shines on all men," they are admitting openly that Messiah is NOT God, but was created in Genesis, just before the world was created! There is absolutely no way to escape this conclusion!

Now, let's look at something else!

In verses 9 and 10 it appears to say that this Light was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not, he (the light) came unto his own, and his own received him not. Christian's deduce that first "the Light" is Jesus, and that the world was "made by him," (Jesus/the Light) and the world knew him not. However, go to Genesis and see if the world was created by the light. You will see that the world existed before the Light. It says "the world became without form or void and darkness was on the face of the deep."

The world would have had to exist first, in some form or another, in order to become without form or void! Something that has never had form, cannot become "without form." Now, this is all preceding the creation of the "Light." Show me in Genesis where the Light has anything at all to do with the creation. You can't, because it was GOD who created the world, and NOT the Light! Furthermore, you can't even say that God and The Light are one in the same, for if that were so, God would not have to say "let there be light," for there would already be Light (God). Logic dictates, therefore that something is wrong with the way they are reading verses 9 and 10. The problem, again, is in their breaking the sentences up in verses!

When it says "He was in the world," in verse 10 is it talking about the Light? It can't be, for it says "the world was created by him," and we know the Light had nothing to do with the creation of the World. Is it talking about "the Word?" It can't be either. Why not? Because it says in verse 14 "And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us." Therefore, we know that the Word was not "in the world" from the beginning, but was manifest at some point after. If the Word had to be "made flesh" to dwell among us, then how can it be said of the Word "he was in the world and the world knew him not," before Messiah was even born?

There is only one person who fits the "He was in the world," in these verses, and that is God! The problem with Christianity, the real heartbreaking, frustrating, destructive mentality is revealed in the way they read verses 10 and 11 of this chapter. They approach the subject of God from a humanistic and quite gnostic approach, in which God is somewhere far off, somewhere off in the distance looking down on us! Like the Bette Midler song "...from a distance God is watching us." Therefore, to them, when they read "he was in the world and the world knew him not," they automatically assume it can't be talking about God here, because God was not "in the world." Thus, they concoct this notion that God somehow had to come and be made a fleshly man in order to "dwell among his people." This is an heresy of heresies! God has been in the world from the beginning! He walked with Adam and Eve in the Garden! He walked with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob. He walked with Moses, and King David, and King Solomon!

When Christianity dismisses the notion that God was in the world and the world knew Him, and therefore, they reason that God had to become a man in order to dwell among us, they completely destroy the entire notion that God has been with his people from the days of Abraham!

They also reveal their inherent unbelief, in that they can't believe that GOD dwells in His people (the temple).

While they say "Jesus lives in me," they don't really believe this, for they clearly believe it was necessary for God to come and become a fleshly man in order for God to dwell among us, and logic dictates if God has to become a man in order to dwell among us, then Messiah, God's Son, also cannot truly dwell among us unless he is here in the world "in the flesh."

That is why there exists now, and will continue to be false Messiah's who arise and say they are the return of Messiah, capitalizing on the basic inability of the unbeliever to believe that Messiah dwells in them! People need a God they can touch and feel, a fleshly God! A true believer does not need this, for they know that God walks with them, and is in the world through them!

If you understand that the "HE" in verses 10 through 18 are God himself, you then begin to understand that by those verses Messiah was not God, could not be God. Messiah "was made in the likeness of God," but this does not make him the "person" of God anymore than we shall be "God" when we are remade into His likeness!

10 He( God) came unto his own (Israel) and his own received him (God) not. 12 But as many as received Him (God) gave he power to become the sons of God, to them that believe on His name (Yahweh, God). 13 Which were born (those who believed) not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word was MADE flesh....

I have to stop here, because, according to the first 13 verses of this chapter the word already dwelt among us from the beginning, for the Word was God and God dwelt among us from the beginning. Don't you see the stark contradiction here? If the Word was God, and God dwelt among us from the beginning, then why was it necessary for the word to be "made flesh" in order to "dwell" among us? It wasn't necessary, but it was necessary for "the flesh" to become the "Word," in order for fleshly man to comprehend the Word.

"...(14) And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his (the Word's) glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

It says that they beheld the Word through the flesh of Messiah, though his living example of the Word! That's all this means. It does not mean that Messiah was the person of "God in the flesh." If Messiah was the "Word" from the moment he was born, then no one would have had to bear testimony of him! John the Baptist would not have had to tell us who he is, and God would not have had to send the spirit down upon him in the form of a Dove declaring "this is my son in whom I am well pleased." We're talking about God becoming flesh here!

If Messiah was God in the flesh, this is the God of all creation we are talking about! The one that Moses said no man could look upon without dropping dead! If Moses is to be believed, (and I believe) and if Messiah was actually God incarnate, everyone who looked upon Messiah from the minute he was born, would have immediately dropped dead, having beheld the Glory of the Most High God, in all fullness personified.

Clearly, the Christian's teaching that Messiah was the "fullness of the Godhead Bodily" is the greatest evidence of all they do not believe Moses, who said that he could not look upon the face of God and live!

Either Moses was lying, or Christianity is lying! If, all God had to do was be made "flesh" in order for Moses to "look upon him," has not God the power to make himself a man? If God making Himself into a man neutralizes his Glory, so that we can look upon Him and not die, then why did not God simply make himself a man when he was dealing with Moses? Why did God have to be born from a woman to become a man? Is he not all powerful? Cannot he just transform Himself into flesh at will? Yet, the Tanakh tells us that "Heaven and Earth cannot contain Him." Evidently the Older Testament is ALL wrong. No wonder Christians disregard it!

People tell me I'm "limiting God." No, I'm just acknowledging the physical limitations of this world in which we live! This world cannot contain the full glory and presence of the Creator, and man, in flesh, cannot look upon the form of God, without being completely obliterated by that Glory! This is what Moses said of the Great I Am, and I believe Moses, for Moses testified of Messiah, and Messiah testified of Moses!

Christians do not understand that when they say Messiah possessed the "fullness of the Godhead" from birth, they are actually saying that we are God in the Flesh as well, for we have been given Messiah's fullness! Everything that he had, is now offered to them that believe!

We see John 1: 16:

"And of his fullness have all we received and grace from grace."

In verse 17 and 18 we find the most stark evidence of all that Messiah was not God in the flesh!

"17 For the law was given by Moses, and grace and truth came by Yahoshua Messiah. 18 No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he has DECLARED him!"

If John believed that Messiah was literally "God made Flesh" how could he then say "no man has seen God at any time?" Everyone who saw Messiah, saw God! Messiah said "have I been so long with you and have you not known me?" This he said when he was asked to "show us the Father."

Yet, here is John saying "no man has seen God at any time." He doesn't say "no man has seen God up until this time." He says "at any time." So we know that Messiah was declaring the Word to us, and that is how the word was "made flesh," by the declaration of Messiah's own flesh which he gave up on the cross for us!

Messiah showed us God, but that did not make him "God!" If He was God, then he was deceptive whenever he spoke of God as someone else, and the Disciples were deceptive when they spoke of Messiah as someone other than God, and whenever they said "the man, Yahoshua."

One might say, "well if he wasn't God in the flesh" he was being deceptive when he said "he who has seen me has seen the Father." Not so, for Messiah was "made into God's own image" thus became the "second Adam." Because Messiah was in the likeness of God, whoever saw Messiah, saw God in him, and through Him!

That is how we can say "no man has ever seen God," but he who has "seen Messiah," has "seen God." This is not a contradiction until you teach that Messiah was literally "God made Flesh" (in person) and "dwelling among us."

Now, on to my "riddle" of sorts at the beginning of the letter. How many "F's" do you see in the sentence,

FINISHED FILES ARE THE RESULT OF YEARS OF SCIENTIFIC STUDY COMBINED WITH THE EXPERIENCE OF YEARS.

If you said 3, you are like most people, and you are incorrect. There are SIX F's in that sentence. Read it again.

If you only see 3 it's because our brain DISMISSES the word "of."

I find it amazing that the word "of" is so insignificant we have trouble seeing it when it occurs 3 times in a sentence, yet, Christianity has hinged their entire belief of the "God became a man" doctrine on the insertion of this word into translated text!

It's truly something to ponder, isn't it?

Shalom for now

J. Dean

Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these you might be partakers of the sublime nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust (2 Kepha [Peter] 1:4).

For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the master and redeemer Yahshua Messiah, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning (2 Kepha {Peter] 2:20).

Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that [is] in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passes away, and the lust thereof: but he that does the will of Yahweh abides for ever. (1 Yahchanan [John] 2:15-17).

Behold, what manner of love the Father has bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of Yahweh: therefore the world knows us not, because it knew Him not (1 Yahchanan [John] 3:1).

But whoever has this world's goods, and sees his brother has need, and shuts up any compassion for him, how does the love of Yahweh dwell in him? (1 Yahchanan [John] 3:17

You are of Yahweh, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is He that is in you, than he that is in the world. They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world hears them. (1 Yahchanan [John] 4:4-5).

For whatsoever is born of Yahweh overcomes the world: and this is the victory that overcomes the world, even our faith. Who is he that overcomes the world, but he that believes that Yahshua is the son of Yahweh? (1 Yahchanan [John] 5:4-5)

[And] we know that we are of Yahweh, and the whole world lies in wickedness (1 Yahchanan [John] 5:19).

Because you have kept the word of my patience, I also will keep you from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth (Revelation 3:10).

The Hebrew Word 'Echad' - Is It Singular Or Plural ("Compound Unity")?

Historic Judaism does not give echad the meaning of unity or plurality as is seen in the Encyclopedia Judaica, Vol. 14, p.1373: "Perhaps from earliest times, but certainly from later, the word echad (one) was understood also to mean unique. God is not only one and not many, but He is totally other than what paganism means by gods." Note also The Jewish Commentary, Soncino Edition, p.770: "He is one because there is no other Elohim than He; but He is also one, because He is wholly unlike anything else in existence. He is therefore not only one, but the Sole and Unique, Elohim." SOURCE

The following passages that use the Hebrew word 'Echad' most certainly mean one, as in the number one.

And Yahweh turned a very strong west wind, which lifted the locusts and drove them into the Red Sea; not a single (Echad) locust was left in all the country of Egypt (Exodus 10:19).

For the Yahweh had said to Moshe, "Say to the people of Yisryl, `You are a stiff-necked people; if for a single moment (Echad) I should go up among you, I would consume you.” (Exodus 36:5).

... and her two sons, of whom the name of the one (Echad) was Gershom.” (Exodus 18:3).

"Ö..Take one (Echad) young bull and two rams without blemish” (Exodus 29:1).

"Then you shall take one (Echad) of the rams, and Aaron and his sons shall" (Exodus 29:15).

One (Echad) lamb you shall offer in the morning, and" (Exodus 29:39).

one (Echad) young bull, one (Echad) ram, one (Echad) male lamb a year old, for a burnt offering; 16: one (Echad) male goat for a sin offering; (Numbers 7:15).

"A single (Echad) witness shall not prevail against a man for any crime" (Deuteronomy 19:15).

So Yahweh caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and while he slept took one (Echad) of his ribs and closed up its place with flesh; (Genesis 2:21).

And Lamech took two wives; the name of the one (Eahad) was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah (Genesis 4:19).

To Eber were born two sons: the name of the one (Echad) was Peleg, for in his days the earth was divided, and his brother's name was Joktan (Genesis 10:25).

We are all sons of one (Echad) man, we are honest men, your servants are not spies." (Genesis 42:11).

And they said, "We, your servants, are twelve brothers, the sons of one (Echad) man in the land of Canaan; and behold, the youngest is this day with our father, and one (Echad) is no more." (Genesis 42:13).

... if you are honest men, let one (Echad) of your brothers (Genesis 42:19).

... we are twelve brothers, sons of our father; one (Echad) is no more, and the youngest is this day with our father in the land of Canaan.' (Genesis 42:32).

And the priest shall take one (Echad) of the male lambs, and offer it for a guilt offering (Leviticaus 14:12).

Ö then he shall take one (Echad) male lamb for a guilt offering to be waved (Leviticus 14:21).

... also two turtledoves or two young pigeons,..the one (Echad) shall be a sin offering and the other a burnt offering (Leviticus 14:22).

And he shall take from the congregation of the people of Israel two male goats for a sin offering, and one (Echad) ram for a burnt offering (Leviticus 16:5).

And you shall offer one (Echad) male goat for a sin offering, and two male lambs a year old as a sacrifice of peace offerings Leviticus 23:19).

... and he shall offer his gift to Yahweh, one (Echad) male lamb a year old without blemish for a burnt offering, and one (Echad) ewe lamb a year old without blemish as a sin offering, and one (Echad) ram without blemish as a peace offering, (Numbers 6:14).

For Yahweh had said to Moshe, "Say to the people of Yisryl,`You are a stiff-necked people; if for a single moment (Echad) I should go up among you, I would consume you.” (Exodus 33:5).

"A single (Echad) witness shall not prevail against a man for any crime" (Deuteronomy 19:15).

QUOTE:
"Those who say ‘they will die first and then rise’ are in error. If they do not first receive the resurrection while they live, when they die they will receive nothing." (Gospel of Philip)

Yahshua calls himself "the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of Yahweh" (Rev.3:14). The Greek word translated "beginning" in this verse means "first in a series," as its primary meaning. The word is arche and literally means, according to Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, "a commencement, chief (in various applications of order, time, place, or rank) -- beginning, corner, first," etc. Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon says of this word: "1. beginning, origin: a. used absolutely, of the beginning of all things . . . b. in a relative sense, of the beginning of the thing spoken of . . . 2. the person or thing that commences, the first person or thing in a series, the leader . . . 3. that by which anything begins to be, the origin . . . 4. the extremity of a thing, the corner of a sail . . . 5. the first place, principality, rule, magistracy . . ."

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Yahshua Is The Son Of Yahweh

Jesus Is The Son Of God Matthew 24:4-5, (NIV) Jesus answered: "Watch out that no one deceives you. For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many.

Why do people claim that they are Jesus? Why did Michael Irving make the ignorant and blasphemous statement that Jerry Rice is "Jesus in cleats." Almost no one ever claims to be Mohammed or Allah. The evil spirits that are motivating these people to make these ridiculous claims, know that Jesus is Lord, Mohammed is a deceived, dead deceiver, and Allah is Satan. The evil spirits know about the True and Living God. The evil spirits are not motivating anyone to claim to be Allah, because the evil spirits know that Allah is a counterfeit god. Who would knowingly attempt to counterfeit a counterfeit?

Jesus stated that He is the Son of God.

Mark 14:61-62a (NIV) But Jesus remained silent and gave no answer. Again the high priest asked him, "Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One?" "I am," said Jesus.

Luke 22:70 (NIV) They all asked, "Are you then the Son of God? " He replied, "You are right in saying I am."

John 5:18 (NIV) For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

John 10:28-30 (NIV) I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are one."

John knew that Jesus is the Son of God.

John 1:1-18 (NIV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it. There came a man who was sent from God; his name was John. He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all men might believe. He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light. The true light that gives light to every man was coming into the world. He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God--children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God. The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. John testifies concerning him. He cries out, saying, "This was he of whom I said, 'He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.'" From the fullness of his grace we have all received one blessing after another. For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made him known.

John 1:34-36 (NIV) I have seen and I testify that this is the Son of God." The next day John was there again with two of his disciples. When he saw Jesus passing by, he said, "Look, the Lamb of God!"

Paul knew that Jesus is the Son of God, because Jesus revealed Himself to Paul.

Acts 9:20-22 (NIV) At once he began to preach in the synagogues that Jesus is the Son of God. All those who heard him were astonished and asked, "Isn't he the man who raised havoc in Jerusalem among those who call on this name? And hasn't he come here to take them as prisoners to the chief priests?" Yet Saul grew more and more powerful and baffled the Jews living in Damascus by proving that Jesus is the Christ.

Romans 1:1-4 (NIV) Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle and set apart for the gospel of God--the gospel he promised beforehand through his prophets in the Holy Scriptures regarding his Son, who as to his human nature was a descendant of David, and who through the Spirit of holiness was declared with power to be the Son of God by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord.

Mary knew that Jesus is the Son of God because it was revealed to her by an angel.

Luke 1:35 (NIV) The angel answered, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.

Nathanael stated that Jesus is the Son of God.

John 1:49 (NIV) Then Nathanael declared, "Rabbi, you are the Son of God; you are the King of Israel."

Martha believed that Jesus is the Son of God.

John 11:25-27 (NIV) Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies; and whoever lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this?" "Yes, Lord," she told him, "I believe that you are the Christ, the Son of God, who was to come into the world."

The centurion believed that Jesus is the Son of God.

Matthew 27:54 (NIV) When the centurion and those with him who were guarding Jesus saw the earthquake and all that had happened, they were terrified, and exclaimed, "Surely he was the Son of God!"

Mark 15:39 (NIV) And when the centurion, who stood there in front of Jesus, heard his cry and saw how he died, he said, "Surely this man was the Son of God!"

Satan and his demons knew that Jesus is the Son of God because they knew Him personally when they were angels in heaven.

Matthew 8:28-29 (NIV) When he arrived at the other side in the region of the Gadarenes, two demon-possessed men coming from the tombs met him. They were so violent that no one could pass that way. "What do you want with us, Son of God?" they shouted. "Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?"

Mark 1:24 (NIV) "What do you want with us, Jesus of Nazareth? Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are--the Holy One of God!"

Mark 3:11 (NIV) Whenever the evil spirits saw him, they fell down before him and cried out, "You are the Son of God."

Mark 5:7 (NIV) He shouted at the top of his voice, "What do you want with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? Swear to God that you won't torture me!"

Luke 4:34 (NIV) "Ha! What do you want with us, Jesus of Nazareth? Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are--the Holy One of God!"

Luke 4:41 (NIV) Moreover, demons came out of many people, shouting, "You are the Son of God!" But he rebuked them and would not allow them to speak, because they knew he was the Christ.

Luke 8:28 (NIV) When he saw Jesus, he cried out and fell at his feet, shouting at the top of his voice, "What do you want with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I beg you, don't torture me!"

Peter knew that Jesus is the Son of God because it was revealed to him by God.

Matthew 16:13-17 (NIV) When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, "Who do people say the Son of Man is?" They replied, "Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets." "But what about you?" he asked. "Who do you say I am?" Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven.

If you know who Jesus is, it is because it has been revealed to you by God. The Word of God was written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

John 20:28-31 (NIV) Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!" Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed." Jesus did many other miraculous signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book. But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

1 John 5:1-5 (NIV) Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the father loves his child as well. This is how we know that we love the children of God: by loving God and carrying out his commands. This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome, for everyone born of God overcomes the world. This is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. Who is it that overcomes the world? Only he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God.

MARKY MARK'S DREAM

Sep 30, 2008 3:51 PM

Hey Frank, how are you doin brother? I was just wanting to ask that you would pray for me right now. Just pray that GOD would give me clarity as to what HE has been trying to speak to me and show me. Whether it's good or bad news, I will take it in stride, but I know that GOD has been showing me many dreams, and one in particular where I heard a muffled deep voice saying MUM MUM MUM, MARK I'M BRINGING JUDGMENT AGAINST YOU, MUM MUM MUM.

Basically the dream was a long dream but that's the part that really shocked me. It was a like a voice that was stuttering like trying to get the words out right. I'm not sure what it meant, but I really would like to know the TRUTH about it. Whether it's a good sign or a bad sign, I just want to know what it means. GOD bless you and I know this came out of the blue, and this is a strange request, but the dream was very strange as well, and I don't think I've understood it fully. If you need more details in the dream to decipher what it means, then I can tell you, but I figured I would just put the part of the dream that disturbed me, and you can pray to GOD and ask HIM for clarity about what it means. THANKS AND GODSPEED!

MARK

HEY AGAIN FRANK (2ND EMAIL)

----------------- Original Message -----------------

From: Marky Mark

Date: Sep 30, 2008 4:30 PM

I can pretty much tell you the dream all the way through, it felt so real. I had this dream maybe a week or so ago. Not too long ago, But here it is:

I was in the parking lot of a shopping mall, and I was going inside to watch a movie at the movie theatre. At least those were my plans. I got out of my car and walked inside the mall. When I got in there I decided to just walk around the mall before I went to the movie. I remember walking into this sports store, and there was a video game there. I started playing it, but this guy and his Girlfriend walked into the store right when I started playing it and I noticed that he wanted to play the game too, so I just got out of my seat and gave him the controller for the video game and walked out of the store.

Then I began walking further into the mall, and I noticed there were a whole bunch of people crowded together in this one area of the mall so I decided to walk over and see what was going on. Most of the people there were around my age or younger (I'm 25) and I saw my best friend from High School named Jeremy. I felt like this was some sort of graduation thing as if we were all graduating from high school or college, and these people were putting on a play. Like a theatrical play like a Shakespear play. So a few of us, including Jeremy, and i were in the benches in the mall watching these people put on the play.

I had a cup of water and a paper napkin to the left of me, and as the play was going on, I noticed that the napkin began to float in the air. So this girl sitting next to Jeremy and I shouted "LOOK THAT PAPER CUP IS FLOATING!" The people looked at the napkin floating, but then instantly they didn't think much of it and started watching the play again. Then I noticed there was a Red button next to my chair and I pushed it.

When I pushed the button it made everything go dark, and the play stopped of course. And the people were saying 'OH MARK WHY DID YOU PUSH THAT BUTTON, IT MAKES EVERYTHING GO DARK." So I apologized and they told me it was okay because the play would resume in a second. So the lights came back on, and then out of nowhere this huge train comes crashing through the mall.

It stops right in front of us where the play was going on, and I looked up into the train and it was a passenger train with huge windows on it. When I looked up into the windows I noticed there were Skeletons sitting at tables. They were alive though! They were eating and drinking on this train, and I noticed in each window there was a cylinder tube with different types of dollar bills in them (almost like they were preserving the dollar bills in those tubes for some reason).

Then instantly I was on the train, and I was a female waitress (I have no clue why I felt my gender changed but I knew that I was a female) and I was serving these living skeleton people. I seemed to have transformed and transported onto that train right when the waitresses shift was over. So there was one other waitress on there too, and we had a boss she was a female also. So all the living skeleton people got up and walked off the train, and it was just myself, the other waitress, and the boss. The train began to get dim and dark inside as if night time was approaching.

The other waitress and I began walking around to each table to collect our tips and I noticed that these tips were HUGE. Meaning they were like billion dollar tips. So I took the money to the boss and asked her why they were leaving such large tips. I can't remember exactly what she said, but it was something to the effect of these people were very wealthy. So then right when she said that she handed me this bag. It was a plastic bag, and inside the bag there was 3 different colors of sand or powder. Tan, Black, and White were the colors of the powder. But what was weird is that when you shook the bag, the white powder stayed in a straight row, the black stayed in straight row, and the tan stayed in straight row. So even if you shook it, they never mixed together.

So then I noticed that when I took the bag, the other waitress took her tips and ran out of the train. Then it was just the boss and I. I then noticed that the money from the tips I took were gone. I didn't have it anymore. All that was left in my had was the plastic bag with the 3 different types of powder in it. The powders all began to glow. Then I heard a muffled voice (it sounded very deep and was stuttering almost trying to get the words out right but couldn't) It kept saying MUM MUM MUM MARK, MUM MUM MUM, I'M BRINGING JUDGMENT AGAINST YOU, MUM MUM MUM.

So I got scared, and it got very dark in the train, but I still had light from the glowing powder in the bag, and then I shone the light at my boss to ask her where that voice was coming from, and when I shone the light at her, she became like a Mist of some sort, so you could only faintly see her outline. Then I looked toward the door of the train and started running and let out a scream. Then I woke up.

It was one of the weirdest dreams I've ever had. If you have more insight about this please let me know. I'd really appreciate it! I know we all have certain gifts, and so if you know anyone with the gift of interpreting dreams then please send this dream to them too. I really want to know the TRUTH about this. Whether it's a good or bad sign I will take it for what it is. I just want to know the truth about it. GODSPEED!

MARK

MY RESPONSE TO MARKY MARK'S DREAM

Peace greetings Mark,

I myself do not take stock in [mere] dreams, especially "GOD" dreams. I also have had many wierd [and unintelligible] dreams in my lifetime but, I have never been instructed or felt that these dreams are from *Yahweh or one of the many "LORD GODS" of this world. The so called "New Testament" teaches that there are many "GODS" and many "LORDS".

For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) ***But to us [there is but] one Yahweh, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we in him; and one master Yahshua Messiah, because of whom [are] all things, and we by him (1 Corinthians 8:5-6).

From what I can ascertain from my study of Scripture, we are only to specifically worship one Yahweh, the Creator of the heavens and the earth and all things in them and not these many "GODS" and "LORDS".

I believe that this teaching is in agreement with the so called "Old Testament" Scripture from where we are instructed to get our reproof and correction and instruction in righteousness. From the so called "Old Testament" is where Father Yahweh's son Yahshua, the apostles (the called out ones), and his disciples (students) received their instructions in truth (cf. Acts 17:11) since the so called "New Testament" had not yet been compiled at this time. The so called "Old Testament" is what the following passage is giving reference to, not the so called "New Testament".

All scripture [is] given by inspiration of Yahweh, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of Yahweh may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all righteous works (1 Timothy 3:16-17).

As you can clearly see we are to get our instruction in that which is right from studying Scripture and not from mere dreams.

For this says Yahweh of hosts, the Mighty One of Yisryl; Let not your prophets and your diviners, that [be] in the midst of you, deceive you, NEITHER HEARKEN TO YOUR DREAMS which you cause to be dreamed. (Yeremyah [Jeremiah] 29:8).

I have heard what the prophets said, that prophesy lies in My Name, saying, I have dreamed, I have dreamed. How long shall [this] be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? Yes, [they are] prophets of the deceit of their own heart; Which think to cause my people to forget my name by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbour, as their fathers have forgotten my name for *Baal. (Yeremyah 23:25-27).

* The Name Yahweh http://www.angelfire.com/hi2/YAHWEHFrank/Yahweh.html

** Baal Gad http://www.angelfire.com/hi2/YAHWEHFrank/BaalGad.html

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